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Warning: Danger, Danger!!-- Major Update!!

Warning: Danger, Danger!!
Major Update!!
By
James Scott Trimm

 

 

Not long ago I wrote a blog titled "Danger, Danger!" (http://nazarenespace.com/profiles/blogs/warning-danger-danger). In this blog I said:

 

When the Assembly of Israel came up out of Egypt, there were many who missed the nice things of Egypt, They preferred the life in Egypt to the path YHWH had laid out for them [referring to Num. 11:1-6]. Many of them wanted to go back to Egypt.

Likewise in the current exodus from Babylon, there are many who miss the old customs and practices of Christendom and would rather return to Churchianity. It is only natural for people to miss their old life, to have warm fuzzy feelings and childhood memories about Christmas, Easter etc. And there are leaders who are even now preparing to tell these people what they want to hear!

In recent months I have warned you about leaders in the Hebrew Roots movement who are planning to lead you back toward Churchianity. I now have inside information that a group of well known leaders in the Hebrew Roots movement are even now formulating a plan to attempt to sanitize Easter. This group of leaders hopes to introduce Easter Sunday observance this coming year! Some of them are even trying to formulate an argument that the word “Easter” is not really related to the goddess “Ishtar”. Even now these leaders are debating among themselves whether to sell this idea under the name of “Resurrection Sunday”; “Firstfruits Sunday” or even “Easter Sunday”.

 

Well folks things are moving faster than I expected. That was just two over two weeks ago. Just two days ago Messianic author and speaker Ken Rank made a very interesting post to his Facebook page. In complete fairness I reproduce it here in its entirety:

 

Sad I have to do this but.... I believe Yeshua is Messiah. I believe we cannot work our way unto salvation nor unto greater favor, our works cannot appease God. Yet, I believe the Torah, God's instructions, have NOT been done away with and that many things the church teaches today, whether they see it or not, misses the mark. Sunday is not the Sabbath, the Feasts are for God's people even today, and bottom dwelling poop eaters are still not "food." Yet, I have had a number of people I have considered both friends and brothers who are now actively trying to steer people away from me or have written some fairly nasty emails and private messages over the last 2 weeks because I have defended a Christian's right to celebrate Christmas or Easter. It is true, I have defended them and will continue to BECAUSE despite whatever supposed ancient pagan connections are claimed regarding these days, and most of what is being taught is nonsense but these "brothers" can't see beyond their hatred, TODAY the meaning of those days are Messiah's birth and the resurrection. The TIME and CULTURE define the meaning of a symbol, not some dead society from 2500 years ago! So, regarding the birth, there is NOTHING in Scripture that states you can't celebrate his birth, therefore, doing so is NOT a sin. Yes, those that celebrate his birth in December have missed the mark by about 3 months as it can be quite clearly shown he was born in September. There are also facets of that celebration that have a questionable origin, but there is NO INTENT to bring honor to a false god. At worst, folks are just ignorant of some facts, not a sin! And as for Easter, I don't care if you think you can tie that word to the tooth fairy, if you have ever been to a church on Easter Sunday you know darn well the day is about the celebration of the resurrection. Yes we should be keeping the Feasts, but there is no sin in celebrating his birth or resurrection, at the least, these 2 days fall under Romans 14:5-6. If you don't want to do them don't, but if somebody does, it is between them and God, not you and them... unless you have supplanted God? I am not going to divide from brethren because I have an difference in interpretation. In fact, I read Proverbs 6 and see that God >>HATES those who cause strife among brethren. I will no longer remain silent when I see this... I am NOT condoning Sunday Sabbath or the teaching that Torah is done away with, but I also understand that if doctrine doesn't save, it surely can't damn either. If I am correct and Torah is indeed for today, it is the SPIRIT in HIS TIME who will reveal it, and until then we are to be what He was to us... patient and long-suffering ready to extend a hand of grace!!! I choose to live according to God's Torah, under His authority, and share my walk with any who ask, who desire to understand what we do and why we see it as a blessing. As for those who have been writing me the notes and who are trying to steer others away from me, and also for those who see fit to take a side and choose theirs....who see me as some compromiser (sic)... just delete me and move on! Again, I would prefer to do what God did for me... extend some mercy when I didn't deserve it. If I am wrong, I prefer to be wrong on the side of compassion, especially considering we will be judged as we judge others. And folks, the current path the Messianic movement is heading, where they see pagans under every rock (who happen to believe in the same God, same Messiah, and same bible... go figure????) and see it as their DUTY to enforce their understanding on others in the spirit of those Pharisees often rebuked by Messiah is one filled ultimately with judgement, not joy! I promise you, I could be wrong on everything else, but I know this is correct.... those that divide brethren over their assumed superior understanding will face a harsh judgement. Don't follow that path... a Torah not based on love and mercy is a false Torah.

- Ken Rank

 

To which Bill Cloud responded that he agrees with Ken Rank 110%.

 

You may recall that I responded back in November to a pair of blogs by Bill Cloud. In the first he said that in the future his ministry would be "less Messianic" and seemed to be signalling that they would be back pedaling back toward Christianity. (http://nazarenespace.com/profiles/blogs/being-like-messiah-a-respon...)

 

In the second blog Bill seemed to be saying pretty plainly that in his opinion the Messianic movement has been too hasty in rejecting too much of Christianity. He is stating that the Messianic movement needs to turn back to some of what they had been taught in Christianity but rejected in the past. (http://nazarenespace.com/profiles/blogs/follow-up-concerning-bill-c...)

 

For those who do not know who Ken Rank is, he is a regular contributing author to messianicpublications,com (http://messianicpublications.com/author/ken-rank), he was a featured speaker at the last MIA/ARI conference (along with House of Aaron leader John Conrad). He has also a vocal supporter of John Conrad and the House of Aaron (http://nazarenespace.com/profiles/blogs/an-open-letter-in-response-...) (For more on the House of Aaron see: http://nazarenespace.com/profiles/blogs/update-the-plain-truth-abou... and http://nazarenespace.com/profiles/blogs/moroni-and-the-mia-ari-s-ho... ).

 

Four "bullet points" derived virtually word for word from Ken Rank's blog:

1. Most of what is being taught about supposed ancient pagan connections of Christmas and Easter] is nonsense.

2. Despite whatever supposed ancient pagan connections are claimed regarding Christmas and Easter], TODAY the meaning of those days are Messiah's birth and the resurrection. The TIME and CULTURE define the meaning of Christmas and Easter, not some dead society from 2500 years ago!

3. Regarding the birth, there is NOTHING in Scripture that states you can't celebrate his birth, therefore, doing so at Christmas is NOT a sin.

4.  It doesn't matter if you think you can tie the word "Easter" to the tooth fairy [much less Ishtar], Easter Sunday in the Church is about the celebration of the resurrection and there is no sin in celebrating his resurrection [in Church on Easter Sunday].

Let me express a sincere difference of opinion with Mr. Rank (and Mr. Cloud) on a few points, because unlike Bill Cloud, I do not agree with him 110%.

 

Ken Rank wrote:

 

I have had a number of people I have considered both friends and brothers who are now actively trying to steer people away from me or have written some fairly nasty emails and private messages over the last 2 weeks because I have defended a Christian's right to celebrate Christmas or Easter. It is true, I have defended them and will continue....

 

Of course I do not support writing "nasty emails" if that has happened. But let me take issue with the phrase "I have defended a Christian's right to celebrate Christmas or Easter.". Really? From who?

 

This looks very much like a "Straw Man" argument. A "Straw Man" argument occurs when one recasts and rewords his opponents actual views, for something different, but which sounds enough like his opponents view that the audience will "buy it". However the new substitute argument is unsupportable and much more easily dismissed than the opponents actual views. The person then easily knocks down the straw man and pretends to have won victory.

 

The truth is that I know of no one who is teaching that Christians do not have a "right to celebrate Christmas or Easter". In fact our own organization has a very plainly stated "Official Declaration" concerning the freedom of religion (see http://nazarenespace.com/page/freedom-of-religion).

 

For the record, lest there be any confusion: Christians have a right to celebrate Christmas and Easter, Muslims have a right to observe Ramadon and Wiccans have a right to celebrate Halloween.

 

We do not teach otherwise just as we also maintain Christians have a right to eat pork and shellfish and keep a Sunday Sabbath.  So that is simply not the issue. 

 

Ken also writes:

 

...despite whatever supposed ancient pagan connections are claimed regarding these days, and most of what is being taught is nonsense but these "brothers" can't see beyond their hatred, TODAY the meaning of those days are Messiah's birth and the resurrection. The TIME and CULTURE define the meaning of a symbol, not some dead society from 2500 years ago!

 

To begin with, the pagan origins of these days, as well as the customs and practices associated with them, are well documented. These are not the wild inventions of hate filled "brothers", they haven been documented in virtually every edition of virtually every secular encyclopedia. They are often referenced in popular secular newspaper and magazine articles at those times of the year.

 

If time and culture define the meaning of these days, can time and culture make Sunday a weekly day of worship? Redefinition via time and culture has been the long standing argument of Reformed Judaism for neglecting the Torah, and the argument of many liberal Christians in "liberalizing" and even in embracing Homosexuality and "Gay Marriage". (I am not saying that you advocate those arguments, but that following the logic to its fullest conclusions shows its ultimate error).

 

Your statement also implies a disconnect of culture when in reality there is a continuity, the pagan festivals in question celebrated the birth and death of Nimrod. It can be demonstrated that there is a direct lineal connection between this Babylonian Mystery religion and the pagan religions of the gentile peoples who became "Christianized" from the first century into the fourth century (and later). It can be shown that in the fourth century, when Constantine declared Christianity to be the Catholic "Universal" religion, millions of pagans were immediately "Christianized". These "Christians" simply renamed their famed statue of Jupiter a statue of "Peter" and continued to meet on Sunday in their phallic symbol (steeple) topped buildings and worship a "Christ" (which was a common title for certain Roman gods) who came to free the world for the Jewish Law... and they simply renamed their pagan faith "Christianity". This is the root of modern Christianity. The holidays of Christmas and Easter are not disconnected from their origins, they still celebrate the birth, death and "resurrection" of the one who came to destroy the Torah of YHWH.

 

Concerning "Easter" Ken writes:

 

And as for Easter, I don't care if you think you can tie that word to the tooth fairy, if you have ever been to a church on Easter Sunday you know darn well the day is about the celebration of the resurrection.

 

In my original blog I told you back on December 16th:

In recent months I have warned you about leaders in the Hebrew Roots movement who are planning to lead you back toward Churchianity.  I now have inside information that a group of well known leaders in the Hebrew Roots movement are even now formulating a plan to attempt to sanitize Easter.  This group of leaders hopes to introduce Easter Sunday observance this coming year!  Some of them are even trying to formulate an argument that the word “Easter” is not really related to the goddess “Ishtar”.  Even now these leaders are debating among themselves whether to sell this idea under the name of “Resurrection Sunday”; “Firstfruits Sunday” or even “Easter Sunday”. 

(http://nazarenespace.com/profiles/blogs/warning-danger-danger)

Bill Cloud might agree 110% with you Ken, but the fact that the word "Easter" derives from the pagan goddess "Ishtar" is recognized in an abundance of secular sources. The day is certainly about the resurrection of the one who comes to abolish the Torah... Nimrod under a different name.

 

Ken continues:

 

...there is no sin in celebrating his birth or resurrection, at the least, these 2 days fall under Romans 14:5-6. If you don't want to do them don't, but if somebody does, it is between them and God, not you and them... unless you have supplanted God?

 

Scripture prohibits us from eating meat that has been offered up to idols because doing so appears to endorse the idolatry (See http://nazarenespace.com/profiles/blogs/paul-and-meat-offered-to-id...) ... does not celebrating holidays which have been offered up to idols have the same effect?

 

The Torah prohibits us from adopting pagan customs and practices into the worship of YHWH (Deut. 12:4).

Even in the First Century there were those who sought to return to keeping their pagan holidays. Paul specifically addresses the issue saying:

8 For then, when you did not know Eloah, you served those that from their nature, are
not Eloah.
9 But now that you know Eloah, or rather you are known from Eloah, you have again
returned, concerning those weak and poor elements: and again desire to be made
subject to them.
10 Days, and months, and times, and years, you observe.
11 I fear: lest vainly, I have labored among you.
(Gal. 4:8-11 HRV)

 

Anyone who claims Romans 14:5-6 support for keeping pagan holidays does not understand Romans 14:5-6. As I wrote in my commentary on Romans 14:1f:

 

Here, like in Col. 2:16-17 Paul's opponent is not the Torah, but the Essene-Proto-Ebionites who used a different calendar and were doctrinally vegetarian. ... Both Col. 2:16-17 and Romans 13-14 are saying not to let these Proto-Ebionite Essenes disturb the body, because individuals do not set halacha for the body, the Beit Din does.

 

 

(See http://nazarenespace.com/profiles/blogs/was-the-torah-only-a-shadow... for the meaning of Clo. 2:16-17)

 

And in my commentary to Romans 13:1f I wrote:

 

Most commentaries wrongly understand these verses to refer to secular governments. However this creates obvious problems. Are we to say that Nazi Germany put in power by Elohim and that those who stood against the Nazis stood “against a commandment of Elohim”. Paul cannot add to or take from the Torah (Deut. 4:1; 12:32 (13:1)) therefore he must be commenting upon or paraphrasing a commandment which is in the Torah. The commandment in question is:

 

 

10 And you shall do, according to the tenor of the sentence, which they shall declare unto you from that place which YHWH shall choose, and you shall observe to do according to all that they shall teach you.

 

11 According to the Torah which they shall teach you, and according to the judgment which they shall tell you, you shall do. You shall not turn aside from the sentence which they shall declare unto you, to the right hand nor to the left.

 

12 And the man that does presumptuously, in not hearkening unto the cohen, that stands to minister there before YHWH your Elohim, or unto the judge, even that man shall die, and you shall exterminate the evil from Yisra’el.

 

(Deur. 17:11-12 HRV)

 

 

This is a reference not to secular government, but to the governing authority of the Assembly of Elohim, the Beit Din or Sanhedrin.

 

The subject has been brought up by the reference to the offices of the Body in Romans 12:4-8. If we look to the parallel passage of Ephesians (Ephesians 4) we find that the offices exist to maintain the unity of the body and to defend it from “deceitful teachings of the sons of men” (Eph. 4:14).

 

 

These verses (Romans 14:5-6) are not giving Paul's view of whether Pagan holidays should be observed by believers (he records his view on that issue plainly in Gal. 4:8-11 quoted above).

 

Ken Rank writes:

 

I am not going to divide from brethren because I have an difference in interpretation.

 

And yet Ken, you tentd to block those who disagree with you....

 

Do not follow these leaders back into Babylon.

As a dog that returns to his vomit,
so is a fool that repeats his folly.
(Prov. 26:11 HRV)

And as Kefa writes

20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world, through the knowledge of the Adon and Savior Yeshua the Messiah, they are again entangled in them and overcome: the latter end is worse for them than the beginning.
21 For it would have been better for them, not to have known The Way of righteousness, than after they have known it, to turn from the Set-Apart commandment delivered to them.
22 But this has happened to them according to the true proverb: The dog returns to his own vomit, and the sow that had washed, to her wallowing in the mire.
(2Kefa 2:20-21)

 

The Torah prohibits us from adopting pagan customs and practices into the worship of YHWH (Deut. 12:4).


"Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them."
(Eph. 5:11).

The Torah reminds us:

"You shall not follow a multitude to do evil"
(Ex. 23:2)

And as our Messiah himself said:

"That which is highly esteemed among men is abominable in the sight of Elohim"
(Luke 16:15)

And as Paul writes:

"Be you not conformed to this world but be you transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may know what is that good and acceptable and wholehearted will of Elohim."
(Rom. 12:2)

We are entering a time of refinement.  You will be seeing a number of people, even leaders, returning to Christmas and Easter and back peddling toward Christendom.  They miss the the fish,  the cucumbers, and the melons, and the leeks, and the onions, and the garlic of Egypt (See Numbers 11:1-6; Gal. 4:8-11 7 2Kefa 2:20-21)) and they want to go back. 

Just as metal must be refined before it can move to a stage where it can be shaped to the will of the artisan, so must this movement be refined so that the Great Artisan can shape us to His will.  The dross will float to the top and be removed, be not dismayed, as this must be.

The fact is that this movement is moving forward in some amazing ways in coming months. This ministry (The Worldwide Nazarene Assembly of Elohim) has always been on the cutting edge of the movement, and there are exciting times ahead. 

So when you see the refinement, when you see people, even leaders in the movement, turning back, realize that this refinement must occur, the dross must be removed, for us to be prepared to conform to the will of YHWH as we move forward. 

Now is the time to make your choice.

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Comment by Frederick Eldridge on January 1, 2014 at 6:13pm

The question is what do you do? For I am sure the argument will be compelling and a lot of people will bail. Any suggestions?

Comment by Lew White on January 1, 2014 at 6:17pm

Either we compromise with the world, or we come out of her (Astral woman, Babel); we cannot stay on the fence. As for inherited customs, we see that in the day of distress the folks doing it their way will finally face the Truth of the matter. Their behavior is based on lies, and we are to warn them. Malaki 4:4-6 clearly tells us what we need to do to prepare. The whole reason for the day of distress is because of the very lies we are exposing right here, right now.  YirmeYahu / Jer 16:19:

"O יהוה, my strength and my stronghold and my refuge, in the day of distress the gentiles shall come to You from the ends of the earth and say, “Our fathers have inherited only falsehood, futility, and there is no value in them.” 
Would a man make mighty ones for himself, which are not mighty ones?
Therefore see, I am causing them to know, this time I cause them to know My hand and My might. And they shall know that My Name is Yahuah!"

Comment by Frederick Eldridge on January 1, 2014 at 6:27pm

I agree with you Lew, We must stand our ground and be solidly root in His word. There were those who wanted to return to Egypt. I know that it may seem good and comforting to return to the old ways and rationalize every step with the scriptures that seem to fit their viewpoint.  

Comment by John Cordaro on January 1, 2014 at 7:56pm

I agree that Christians have a right to observe Christmas and Easter. They have a right to exercise their free will. We should not condemn them in this, but seek to educate them in love if they will listen. It will all boil down to how much they love the Almighty and desire to walk in truth. Since the Father seeks those who worship Him in spirit and in truth, the one who truly loves Him will put away anything that is not true. Plant the seeds of truth and let the Spirit take it from there.

Comment by Mikha'ELa on January 1, 2014 at 8:29pm

how was it with Kora and Datan? so it will be with you who will not obey and do my commandments says Yahuah to me!. Going back to Egypt ?well how many times the Israelites wished to do that? because of lack of trust ..there is a saying it goes like that: the will of mankind is their kingdom of heaven, what makes it clear that you can only serve Yahuah and not another god and if you don't, then you will go into the kingdom of ha satan which will burn like hell in the lake of fire with him. Why would Yah have been redeemed and delivered us out of the bondage and slavery of Egypt or Babylon/ churchianity, for that it will be ok when we go back to the rotten meat pots and veggies? In Yahuah we have pure clean non GMO foods as He will more and more purify us and make us kadosh/set apart of (the world). If we love Yahuah back as He loved us first so much that He took our dirt/sin on Himself , died for us instead and rose for us to live eternally with Him then, we owe him obedience=love and more love/obedience for also to stay where we are with Him now without looking back, or do you want the sulphur and brimstone in the end for making a wrong decision before and then it is not any longer reversable.The pillar of cloud moves we move , otherwise we stand still and wait for His guidance and by same Ruach ha Kodesh bringing us out of Egyptian and Babylonian miseries.
And those who still want to go back, well as sad and catastrophical that is and will be for them, we cannot keep them from not to do so though we can tell them to let be and let go and why (as you do James to Ken) and ask the Ruach of Elohim to convince them to stop. BUT IT IS THEIR DECISON. Yah gave us a free will.

By the way I stopped in the midst of the 90ties to call myself being a christian for Acts tells us nothing about people with a christian faith but of spirit filled followers of Yahusha- His disciples.

Comment by Mikha'ELa on January 1, 2014 at 9:30pm

Ken and others could also consider what Lew wrote here:

http://www.fossilizedcustoms.com/creationmuseum.html

Comment by YishaiMonty on January 1, 2014 at 9:42pm

Show me where Bill Cloud says that He agrees 110% ???

In fact, he says just the opposite a few days before x-mess...

https://www.facebook.com/bill.cloud.714/posts/590767114328387

Comment by James Trimm on January 1, 2014 at 9:55pm

I am blocked from Ken Ranks Facebook.  I am told by a reliable source that Bill Cloud responded to Ken's blog above (assuming it is still there it should be on Ken's Rank's facebook page) by saying that he agrees 110%.  I believe Ken's blog was posted on the 30th but It might have been earlier.  I will see if I can get further information.

Comment by James Trimm on January 1, 2014 at 10:05pm

If you are not blocked from Ken's page you may be able to find him in Bill Cloud's friends, link to Ken's page and read the blog and the comments there.

Comment by James Trimm on January 1, 2014 at 10:50pm

YishaiMonty,

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