Update: This is Unfathomable!

Comment by HEROYAHU, Bro. Keen on August 18, 2011 at 11:39pm

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Righteous greetings, Sir.

Let it be said:

Whereas: Your "productivity" is obviously abundant,

Whereas: We all out here benefit from it day & night,

Whereas: We feeders admire your perseverence,

Be it resolved that:

               Failure to render to you due regard is Hypocrisy.

               The rarity of some of your truths is worthy of double honor.  

               The rarity of some of your truths is worthy of sacrificial love-gifts.

 

No flattery intended.

May the angels administer both blessings &  discipline.

Shalom.

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Comment by James Trimm on August 18, 2011 at 11:42pm

Thank you for your kind words sir.

Comment by Paul on August 18, 2011 at 11:58pm

Shalom Mr Trimm,

Your work is worthy and Our Father knows that too, however I have been out of work for nearly 2 years now and each week just gets a little tighter as reserves dry up.  I would like very much to assist but I just can not do it.  Some weeks not enough petrol to go to our Shull, regularly hungry, no gas for the fire etc.  No insurances any more.  Yeap that's a little about my non finances.  I am 54 and ever hopeful of work.  Just wanted to explain that I am not ignoring you or your ministry.   Paul. NZ

Comment by Ezra Ben Yosef on August 19, 2011 at 2:31am

Belgium is with you, Rabbi.

Comment by James Trimm on August 19, 2011 at 3:33pm

Of course those without an income do not tithe (10% of 0 is 0) (Though if they have resources they may still give freewill offerings) so I am not referring to those with no income.  However there are over 1,700 members on NazareneSpace and with the main page pulling in 5,000 to 7,000 hits a week, a large number of those are active members.  Even if only half are active (about 850) and applying a 10% unemployment average that leaves 765.  Now if those 765 employed, active members tithed, and if they only made an average of 24,000 a year then lets do the math:

 

(765 X 24,000) x .1 =  $1,836,000

 

At that rate I would receive a modest wage and the ministry would still have nearly 1.8 million to budget!

What might we accomplish with a nearly 2 million a year budget?

 

And those were very conservative figures with only 765 modest income tithers!

 

If only half of those tithed, we would still have a budget close to 1 million a year.

 

Instead I am barely able to pay my basic bills. 

 

 

 

Comment by will brinson: ferguson on August 19, 2011 at 6:36pm

I want to say that in my opinion this ministry is the best out there today, telling truths that others are either blind too, or just prefer to ignore (such as the LDS people that would rather pay to suppress the truth as opposed to embrace it). I hope that this ministry will continue to help restore the Nazarene’ Gospel, awmane[Strong’ # 543].

 

Yet, I too have been out of work for ever so it seems. I was in an incident that left me slightly disabled and no longer a commercially viable worker. I am 48 years old and am now living in my parents backyard in a small camper for the first time in well over a ¼ of a century. I have to use their water and electricity as well as eat their food (I refuse to get on government welfare , such as food stamps, Medicare, or what ever they call the program of getting a check).

 

I help them out by doing things around their home (they own 5 acres). A lot of it has grown up and also has a lot of tree stumps from where it had be partially logged. I clear out the under brush and remove the stumps, but it leaves me in pain most of the time and I have to take two or three days to recuperate before doing more. Because of this most employers are afraid of me getting hurt worse on their job, not to mention the fact that I am not therefore able to give 5 days straight dependably.

 

I was making 20 dollars an hour before I got hurt, doing remodeling and also new construction work on homes. I ended up taking 5 and 10 dollar an hour jobs as I could get them. Then My ride broke down which made it even harder for me to get work. Before I could get my ride fixed the tags, inspection, and insurance came due and finally my drivers licenses. There was no way to overcome the flood of on going demise. I moved into the woods living there for 8 years before I finally asked my parents if I could move to their backyard.

 

I wish things where better and that I could help this ministry, but I even had to brake down and ask my dad if he could afford to pay for the E-Book of the Hebraic Roots Version for me. I would also like to have it in hard copy along with all the Hebrew and Aramaic dictionaries this ministry offers, but this is out of reach for me at this time. I hope one day some how things will turn around for me.

 

Now, I do not have a wife [as she left me] or any children that depend upon me, but I though that you might feel some sort of relief after hearing my story.

 

James, may keep you and your family from my fate, as all the people say - awmane.

 

May Yahuwah bless and keep you, Shalom.

Your brother in Yahu-Shuah The Anointed One.

Comment by Rick on August 19, 2011 at 8:34pm

Hello All,  I would like to mention something that has been on my mind for a while that doesn't seem right to me.  It seems to me that all most every Messianic I have met in life and I also see many writings of hard ship on line are barely getting by financially and have all kinds of health problems personally and/or family.  This to me seems like something is major-ally wrong.  Like a curse is on them.  Maybe a season of hardship (trails) I can understand but a life-time or many years/decades of what I would call curses such as diseases/financial hardship that can not be the will of Yah.  Maybe I am missing something, but it really doesn't make sense to me at all.    Deuteronomy 28 and a whole bunch of other scriptures.  Has anyone else noticing this?  Not my intention to offend if I have, but it has really puzzled me for a while now, so I thought I'd write about it some.

Comment by James Trimm on August 20, 2011 at 11:32pm

Rick,

 

You bring up a very good point.  Deut. 28-30 and Lev. 26 give a series of blessings and curses.  Blessings if His people observe the Torah and curses if we do not.

 

Malachi 3:9 says "You are cursed with a curse; for you have robbed me, even this whole nation."

 

The passage before and after explain that they have "robbed YHWH" by retaining the tithe. (3:8, 11). 

 

The context of this passage is the last days because in 3:1-6 Messiah returns and judges the world.  When this happens he encounters a people who THOUGHT they were Torah Observant except they were not tithing (3:7-12). 

 

YHWH says that these people had been under a curse because they were not tithing (3:8-9) He says "prove me" and says "see if I will not open the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be enough room to receive it." (3:10). 

 

Sirach 35:11 says concerning he who cheerfully tithes that  YHWH will "repay you seven fold"

 

How can you expect YHWH to bless you when you are stealing from him.

 

Don't believe me, believe your Scriptures, believe Elohim!

Comment by Rick on August 21, 2011 at 2:01pm

Hi James, Thanks for your response.  The scriptures clearly show there are curses in the Nazarene movement....  So, Tithing could be part of the problem and even a large part of the problem, I also feel there are other things wrong that are causing the curses.  It's just a little concerning for someone like me that came out of Christianity and now was hoping to get out of the pig pen and after a year or so trying to learn the way of Torah, it scary seeing all the curses, has me concerned.  At the same time though I have known many that have tithed in Christianity and Messianic and they were all cursed according to the scriptures too.  I am trying hard here and mediating on why all the curses, because I don't want them befall on me and my family!! Maybe I will write my thoughts on it over the next week and get some insight from all you.  I think this is something we need to clean up.  Ahada had some great points too, but there are curses need clean-up.  It's FREAKING ME OUT!!!  LOL  :)

Comment by Brian Forbes on August 22, 2011 at 10:54am

Re. money: Anayahu got to my reason. There are more ministries than I can support. I give what I can, but you obviously make the cut.

Re. curses: I've seen direct causal relationships between pain and relief of pain through prayer. Practice praying for your and other people's curses. When you get good at it, you start seeing miracles.

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