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Orthodox Jewish Scholar's Profound Words about Yeshua

Orthodox Jewish Scholar's
Profound Words about Yeshua
By
James Scott Trimm


In recent blogs I have spoken to you about the changes in attitude that are taking place in regards to Yeshua of Nazareth in the Jewish Community, and how this may relate to the prophecy Yeshua made:

38 Behold, your house is forsaken; to you desolate.
39 And I tell you, that you will not see Me here after,
until you say,
Blessed is He that comes in the Name of YHWH!
(Matt. 23:38-39)

(For more info on this prophecy click here.)

This ministry is at the forefront of this coming restoration.

In the 1980’s my old mentor Rabbi Moyal, an Orthodox Rabbi from Israel accepted Yeshua as the Messiah based  on material he found in the Talmud, Midrashim and Zohar.  I myself came out of Rabbinic Judaism some thirty years ago when I accepted Yeshua as the Jewish Messiah of Judaism.

Beginning in the late 90's I began reporting that a great number of Orthodox Jews (even Rabbis) already know that Yeshua is the true and only Messiah and that some of them have even confided this fact to me. I stated then that they had no intention of disclosing this fact because they believed it would unite them with an anti-Torah Christianity which is overflowing with pagan customs and practices, and a disdain for the Torah which is seen as "bondage".I received a lot of skepticism at the time, and then Rabbi Yizachak Kaduri made arrangements to reveal his belief in Yeshua as the Messiah one year after his death.

In 2012 Orthodox Jewish Rabbi Shmuley Boteach published the book Kosher Jesus, which, while not accepting Yeshua as the Messiah, takes a non-hostile approach to Yeshua, seeking to reclaim Yeshua as a Jewish sage of the Second Temple Era.

Now a group of Orthodox Rabbinic Jews are working toward a retrial ... before this Rabbinic Sanhedrin.  Its being called The Official Jesus Anathema Removal Project ( http://www.redeemzion.com )  Ariel Cohen Alloro, an Orthodox Jewish priest is building a team to bring a formal petition to the Rabbinic Sanhedrin in Jerusalem, Israel.  This attempt at a retrial of Yeshua is being undertaken by Orthodox Rabbinic Jews who believe that Yeshua was falsely accused.

Just this last year Orthodox Jewish scholar Daniel Boyarin wrote a book "The Jewish Gospels; The Story of the Jewish Christ".  This book also takes a non-hostile approach to Yeshua and his original Jewish followers.  Daniel Boyarin is not only a noted historian of religion, he has also been called "one of the two or three greatest rabbinic scholars in the world."  He holds dual United States and Israeli citizenship. Trained as a Talmudic scholar, in 1990 he was appointed Professor of Talmudic Culture, Departments of Near Eastern Studies and Rhetoric, University of California, Berkeley, a post which he still holds.

Boyarin opens his book with some very interesting words:

If there is one thing that Christians know about their religion, it is that it’s not Judaism.  If there’s one thing Jews know about their faith, it is that it’s not Christianity. If there is one thing that both groups know about this “double not,” it’s that Christians believe in the Trinity and the incarnation of Christ (the Greek word for Messiah) and that Jews don’t, that Jews keep kosher and Christians don’t.
 
If only things were that simple.  In this book, I’m going to tell a very different story, a story of a time when Jews and Christians were much more mixed up with each other than they are now, when there were many Jews who believed in something quite like the Father and the Son and even in something like the incarnation of the Son in the Messiah, and when followers of Jesus kept kosher as Jews, and accordingly a time in which the difference between Judaism and Christianity just didn’t exist as it does now....

While by now almost everyone, Christian and non-Christian, is happy enough to refer to Jesus, the human, as a Jew, I want to go a step beyond that. I wish us to see that Christ too–the divine Messiah–is a Jew. Christology, or the early ideas about Christ, is also a Jewish discourse and not–until much later–an anti-Jewish discourse at all. Many Israelites at the time of Jesus were expecting a Messiah who would be divine and come to earth in the form of a human. Thus the basic underlying thoughts from which both the Trinity and the incarnation grew are there in the very world into which Jesus was born and in which he was first written about in the Gospels of Mark and John (1-2)
(Daniel Boyarin, The Jewish Gospels; The Story of the Jewish Christ; 2012, p. 1, 5-6)

Of course I believe that Boyarin uses the term "Christian" too loosely here (the original followers of Yeshua identified themselves as Jews and not as "Christians,") however it is very interesting that such an important Orthodox Jewish scholar is now willing to admit that not only were Yeshua's original followers Kosher eating and Torah observant, but that the doctrine of the Deity of Messiah itself was of Jewish origin, was held by the original Jewish followers of Yeshua from the very beginning, and has been rejected by Rabbinic Judaism since the first century in a reactionary manner!

The "Jesus" Judaism has Rejected

Have the Jews really rejected Yeshua?  The only "Jesus" that most Jewish people have ever been exposed to is the "Jesus" that supposedly came to "free them from the bondage of the Law". Yes, they have rejected this Torahless Jesus, and rightly so. But most of them have never been exposed to the real Yeshua.

In coming years you will see many Jewish people embracing Yeshua as the Messiah.  (In fact it has already begun).  But the Yeshua that they accept will be the real Yeshua and not the Torahless "Jesus" that Christendom has adopted from pagan sources.

The Jewish people know that an anti-Torah Messiah is no Messiah at all, they know better than to accept the rank paganism attached to Gentile Christianity.

As I have been saying for years, I am personally aware of a great many Orthodox Jews (even Rabbis) who already know that Yeshua is the Messiah, but are not yet prepared to reveal this information to the world.  One of these told me that he is waiting until "the right time".

I am humbled by the fact that this ministry is on the cutting edge of this great last days restoration.

The Jewish people will also come to realize that the books known as the "New Testament" (More correctly called the Ketuvim Netzarim, the "Writings of the Nazarenes") in their original Hebrew and Aramaic rather than their Greek translations, are as much a "Jewish Book" as the Tanak ("Old Testament").

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Comment by Nat Sarim on May 20, 2013 at 3:53pm

Awesome!

Shalom Aleichem

Comment by Erica Karas on May 20, 2013 at 6:16pm

Amen!! G-d's speed!!

Comment by James McDevitt on May 20, 2013 at 11:48pm

Thanks for the recommendation.  I've just purchased the book and started reading it.

Comment by Pieter Jooste on May 22, 2013 at 6:24pm

I do not think anyone would contest that Yeshua came to earth as a Judean.

But did Judeans called themselves Jews?

If so... why? ... and from what time?

 

Comment by James Trimm on May 22, 2013 at 10:03pm

In Hebrew "Jew" and "Judean" are the same word... but there is no doubt that Yeshua was of both the Tribe and the House of Judah, i.e. a Jew, or that his religion was Judaism.

Comment by Pieter Jooste on May 23, 2013 at 4:20am

When did the term 'Jew' came into usage and does it only refer to Judeans / Judaites?

Comment by James Trimm on May 23, 2013 at 10:10am

Jew

[joo] Show IPA
noun
1.
one of a scattered group of people that traces its descent from the Biblical Hebrews or from postexilic adherents of Judaism; Israelite.
2.
a person whose religion is Judaism.
3.
a subject of the ancient kingdom of Judah.
adjective
4.
Offensive. of Jews; Jewish.
verb (used with object)
5.
( lowercase  ) Offensive. to bargain sharply with; beat down in price (often followed by down  ).
Origin:
1125–75; Middle English jewe, giu, gyu, ju  /span> Old French juiu, juieu, gyu  /span> Late Latin judēus, Latin jūdaeus  /span> Greek ioudaîos  /span> Aramaic yehūdāi  /span> Hebrew Yəhūdhī,  derivative of Yəhūdhāh Judah; replacing Old English iūdēas  Jews /span> Late Latin jūdē ( us ) + Old English -as  plural ending
Comment by James Trimm on May 23, 2013 at 10:35am

In the Scriptures the term "Jew" can refer to anyone who follows the Jewish faith, regardless of his racial origins (Ester 8:17).  In Tobit 11:17 the term "Jew" is used to refer to those of the ten tribes of the House of Israel who remained faithful to the one true faith of the House of Judah.

Comment by James Trimm on May 23, 2013 at 10:43am

In the case of the original article of this blog, the key reference was:

"...by now almost everyone, Christian and non-Christian, is happy enough to refer to Jesus, the human, as a Jew,..."

"Almost everyone" except for a handful of radical anti-Semites.

Both genealogies of Yeshua (Matt. 1 and Luke 3) indicate Yeshua was from the tribe of Judah.

There is also little doubt that his religion, and the religion he was a teacher within, was that which was commonly known by that time as "Judaism" (as it is called earlier in 2Maccabees and in the closely contemporary writings of Philo and Josephus).

Comment by Pieter Jooste on May 23, 2013 at 10:57am

Thanks, for your explanations. All your facts I accept.

I am only trying to get to the correct original terminology as well as the preferred term today. 

Would it not be more correct to refer to Yeshua as an Israelite?

And to the faith as Israelism rather than Judaism [or Adamites/ism; Noachites/ism; Shemites/ism; Abrahamites/ism, etc.

I am trying to ascertain what the disciples would have called themselves.  

What was the custom at that time? Paul, a Pharisee and Benjaminite  called himself a Roman and Jew [or would he have used Judean / Judiate / Israelite / Hebrew? 

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