Messiahs Actual Crucifixion & Resurrection

Comment by Stephen O. Navarro on October 22, 2011 at 9:53pm

I'm quite sure that you read my POST on Messiahs Crucifixion, and since we have opposing views I would like to see where you find mine in error, and you would be the first.

Comment by Stephen O. Navarro on October 27, 2011 at 5:18am

I would appreciate a phone call from you that you could tell me why you copied my title.

Comment by Stephen O. Navarro on October 30, 2011 at 3:00pm

Brother James: you seem to miss/ignore the fact that His Burial was just before Sunset on Passover which means that The Prophecy of Jonah [the ONLY sign that Messiah would give] emphatically makes His Resurrection exactly 72 hours later, meaning it was a Sunset Resurrection. His Resurrection was humanly PROVED at 5-6am when they came to anoint His Body Sunday morning!

 

This single verse thinking is the same mindset as those who misuse the word ‘Fulfill’ stated in Matthew 5:17 and in the 9am time of Messiahs Death expressed in Mark 15:25.

Case in point#1; I agree that the dictionary meaning of fulfill is to complete or to end, however the Bible does a perfect job defining itself that Seekers of The Truth don’t go astray. So, ”It is finished”, I have finished the work which the Father gave Me to do, Messiah said as He gave up His Spirit. John 19:30, meaning that all is complete, can’t change anything now. And so, Think not that I have come to abolish the Law or the prophets, I have come to fulfill [Matthew 5:17-18], Where fulfill is fully described in Acts 3:18, Luke 24:44, and Acts 13:29, which says; “But this is how God fulfilled what He had announced in advance, when He spoke through all the prophets, namely, that His Messiah was to die”. Again, “These are My Words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” [Luke 24:27, 44 NASB]

 

So, fulfill means; His Birth, Life, Ministry, and Execution all had to be done exactly as His Prophets, years before, wrote of Him to do and say. How could abolishing the law or the prophets have ever suited Him or been His intent? Everything He said was all about keeping His Promises and His Law. He is GOD!

Case in point#2; Mark 15:25 “And it was the third hour, and they Crucified Him.” This verse has caused many an issue for it seems to indicate that Messiah DIED at 9am. I believe that this could be a contradiction, for it is probable that the Greek letter digamma, which had fallen into disuse and was about to be discontinued altogether, was mistaken for the common letter gamma. Thus, an early scribe mistook F for G and copied "third" instead of "sixth".

 

But spiritually; Matthew 27:45, Mark 15:33, and Luke 23:44 all say “And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour”. The disciple John, whom we know was actually there, accounts that at the 6^th hour final judgment was made then He was led away for Crucifixion. “And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! But they cried out, Away with Him, away with Him, crucify Him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar. Then delivered He Him therefore unto them to be crucified. And they took Jesus, and led Him away”. John 19:14-16 “In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established”. 2 Corinthians 13:1

 

There seems to be more such misunderstood, I should dare say, mistranslated verses that I believe The Master allowed ‘for our itching ears to follow’ instead of sound doctrine.

Comment by James Trimm on October 30, 2011 at 3:03pm

We have covered this here before, there were two ways of counting hours at the time, by one way it was the third hour, by the other it was the sixth hour, depending on whether one was using the 24 hour or the 12 hour systems, both of which existed at the time.

Comment by Stephen O. Navarro on October 30, 2011 at 3:05pm

There seems to be more such misunderstood, I should dare say, mistranslated verses that I believe The Master allowed ‘for our itching ears to follow’ instead of sound doctrine. 2 Timothy 4:3 “And for this cause [reason] God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie” 2 Thessalonians 2:11

 

In a Court of Law the Friday/Sunday, as well as, your Thursday Crucifixion & Sunday Resurrection Theories would be quickly dismissed without argument.

 

The Federal Observatory, who claims the ‘Weekly Cycle’ has NEVER changed, also shows that on Wednesday April 25, year 31 A.D. it was also 14 Abib, the day Pesach is commanded Exodus 12:6, Leviticus 23:5 so Thursday through Saturday would be 3 night +  So maybe Luke 24:12 actually said “…today is three days since these things were done”

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