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International Nazarene Beit Din passes Milk and Meat Halacha

Milk and Meat Halacha

Passed by the International Nazarene Beit Din

10-5-2011

 

Three times the Torah commands us: "You shall not seethe a kid in its
mother's milk." (Exodus 23:19, Exodus 34:26 and Deuteronomy 14:21)

Simeon b. Yohai says, "On what account is this matter repeated three times?"
"One serves to prohibit eating it, one to derive benefit from it, and the third
to cooking it under any circumstances"
(Mekhilta LXXX:II:6)

Is it permitted to eat meat with milk?

Zakan Ingalls says: If we look at the archeology of a place called Ras-Shamra, it appears that seething a kid in its mother's milk was a pagan Canaanite ritual. A Ugaritic text says: "Over the fire seven times the sacrificers cook a kid in milk..."  Driver, G.R., Canaanite Myths and Legends. Edinburgh: T.& T. Clark, 1956. p.121.

 

Rabbi Trimm says: Simeon b. Yohai was active after the destruction of the
Temple and after Nazarenes and Rabbinic Judaism separated. His interpretation
is very weak based solely on the fact that the prohibition appears three times in
the Torah, and from this he derives this halacha. He did not learn this
interpretation from his teacher Rabbi Akiva, for Akiva taught a totally
different reason that the prohibition was given three times:

Rabbi Akiva says, "On what account is this matter repeated three times?"
"One is to encompass, in particular, a domesticated beast, the second a wild
beast, the third a fowl."
(Mekhilta LXXX:II:8)

Moreover there is no record of any debate of this issue between Hillel and
Shammai themselves, and no mention of the decree in the Dead Sea Scrolls.

However the first century commentator Philo writes:

(142) And our lawgiver endeavors to surpass even himself, being a man of every
kind of resource which can tend to virtue, and having a certain natural aptitude
for virtuous recommendations; for he commands that one shall not take an animal
from the mother, whether it be a lamb, or a kid, or any other creature belonging
to the flocks or herds, before it is weaned. And having also given a command
that no one shall sacrifice the mother and the offspring on the same day, he
goes further, and is quite prodigal on the particularity of his injunctions,
adding this also, "Thou shalt not seethe a lamb in his mother's
Milk."{22}{exodus 23:19.} (143) For he looked upon it as a very terrible thing
for the nourishment of the living to be the seasoning and sauce of the dead
animal, and when provident nature had, as it were, showered forth milk to
support the living creature, which it had ordained to be conveyed through the
breasts of the mother, as if through a regular channel, that the unbridled
licentiousness of men should go to such a height that they should slay both the
author of the existence of the other, and make use of it in order to consume the
body of the other. (144) And if any one should desire to dress flesh with milk,
let him do so without incurring the double reproach of inhumanity and impiety.
There are innumerable herds of cattle in every direction, and some are every day
milked by the cowherds, or goatherds, or shepherds, since, indeed, the milk is
the greatest source of profit to all breeders of stock, being partly used in a
liquid state and partly allowed to coagulate and solidify, so as to make cheese.
So that, as there is the greatest abundance of lambs, and kids, and all other
kinds of animals, the man who seethes the flesh of any one of them in the milk
of its own mother is exhibiting a terrible perversity of disposition, and
exhibits himself as wholly destitute of that feeling which, of all others, is
the most indispensable to, and most nearly akin to, a rational soul, namely,
compassion.
(Philo, On the Virtues)


The International Nazarene Beit Din Rules:

The decree against eating meat with milk is a late Rabbinic chiddush
(innovation) and not authoritative to Nazarene Judaism.

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Comment by will brinson: ferguson on October 6, 2011 at 9:19am

I would not be surprised if there was some kind of health risk involved, kind of like mad cow disease, as well as the prohibition against pagan rituals, etc...

Comment by Chochana on October 6, 2011 at 3:21pm

Shalom James, thank you for this post.  It seems incredible though that there would be no explanation whatsoever to justify the general milk and meat separation, something so anchored in observant jewish society. 

Simeon bar Yohai and rabbi Akiba were both post-Yeshua.  Would they be the "inventors" of this halakha? Any clue if this halakha was already observed during Yeshua's time?  If it was and Yeshua didn't question/invalidate it, should we?  I ask this in the optic of the first part of Matthew 23.2-3

The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

 3All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

 

Thanks

 

Chochana


 

Comment by Phillip Hawley on October 7, 2011 at 12:39am
Shalom All,

I agree that He said it, therefore it should first be taken as p'shat and we should simply obey the instruction in the literal sense - even before trying to ascertain His intent. However, when we do attempt to extrapolate His intent to justify more traditions of men, we are well advised to consider the example of the righteous. My brother,  Anayahu ven Dawid noted that righteous Abraham partook of the meat and milk together. However, for me the notable event is that the party of three also partook; they being even more righteous than Abraham. Two were identified as the angels that saved Lot and brought divine judgment to Sodom. The Other, though there is much controversy as to His identity, was actually speaking for the Most High Elohim. He too partook. So as far as I am concerned there is no prohibition except for the literal, “Do not seethe...” BTW, I don't.

As far as "The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:", please remember three things. First, there were by most accounts, seven or eight theocratic parties represented in the Sanhedrin in the time of the Messiah. Second, the Sanhedrin was the place of the Seat of Moshe. Third, the 'scribes' were essentially government lawyers, the lackeys of the Herodian dynasty and mostly Idumean, Edomite or more accurately, of the children of Esau - not Israel. These observations in and of themselves, should speak volumes to the gentle reader. Messiah NEVER spoke against the governing body of Israel. He NEVER did anything contrary to the governing laws of Israel – Torah! But the nation of Israel was most certainly overthrown for not keeping covenant!

The precarious balance of power in the Sanhedrin in those days somewhat moderated the normally self-serving interests of these men of position and power. Despite the creeping in of traditions that ultimately contradicted Torah (something Messiah railed against), straying too far from p'shat did not gain its full head until the destruction of the Temple, the subsequent Diaspora and the passing of authority from the Sanhedrin and the priesthood to basically one political party, the Pharisees. But with the passing of the Temple and the priesthood, Israel as a nation and the Sanhedrin as a governing body, so too passed the Seat of Moshe and those that sat in judgment and called upon Israel to do its bidding. Anyone remember the behavior of the apostles in the presence of the Biet Din? That too should speak volumes.

As far as I can tell, there is no Seat of Moshe today. There is no Sanhedrin. There are no scribes, Idumean or otherwise. There is no Israel that is constituted according to Torah. There is a secular state called Israel. There is a people called Israel, the decedents of Israel and recipients of the promises of Israel. There is a religion called Judaism that is loosely based on the covenant of Israel; just like there is a semi-pagan religion that is loosely based on the teachings of the Messiah. But those that are wise in His ways seek to do as He instructed. Follow Torah, keep covenant and watch until He returns. Call no man father – master – rabbi, except the Father in heaven.

I tend to agree with the Biet Din when it agrees with Torah as taught by Messiah. Otherwise, not so much. Enjoy a cheese burger.

Blessings
Comment by will brinson: ferguson on October 7, 2011 at 4:20am

AnaniYahu - when I spoke of a health issue I did not put it in the context of any milk with any meat, I was speaking of the kid in it' mother' milk ALONE. So to eat meat with milk in it' self is not the issue I was speaking of. You jumped out of context.

As for what you said about not doing things just because pagans do so in worship I would agree to the existent as to say so long as we are not copying them (that is to say taking their lead) in worship, whether our worship be of Yahuwah or Gawd, Buda, Satyrn, etc...   

 

For the record, I never said any thing against eating a cheese burger much less anything about not boiling a goat in milk (so long as it is not in it' mother' milk that is), so please do not assume that I am saying what I have not said. When I said that it could be of a health risk I was speaking only of the kid in it' mother' milk alone!  

As to what Phillip said, Awmane!

 

And yes this is a good teaching that is to be praised, for it seeks to shed light upon the truth in a dark world.

Comment by Aish Tamid on October 7, 2011 at 9:40am
Well said, Rabbi Trimm.
Comment by Dr. Jackson H. Snyder on October 7, 2011 at 10:10pm
Thank you.  Finally someone recognizes that rabbinical nonsense, like the 2 refrigerator doctrine, was despised and exposed by the historical Nazoreans.
Comment by Giovanni DiMedici on October 13, 2011 at 4:33pm
I always knew that one was hokus pokus. I spoke that out loud in a McDonald's near Messiah College one year during the Messiah conference, and all the Messianic kids wanted cheese on their burgers after that - being as it's not milk, fake cheese anyway with just whey product, and it isn't boiled, nor a kid... etc.. The parents said nothing. I suppose they were uncomfortable. If they just came to HIM as the "little children", it would all be well. LOL
Comment by Aish Tamid on April 18, 2013 at 6:58pm

I might point out here a parallel thought process in Deuteronomy 22:6-7, “If a bird’s nest happens to be before you along the way, in any tree or on the ground, with young ones or eggs, with the mother sitting on the young or on the eggs, you shall not take the mother with the young; you shall surely let the mother go, and take the young for yourself, that it may be well with you and that you may prolong your days.”

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