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Wow you guys outted me quickly. Yes, that's right -- I am a pre-Tribulationist. I believe Yeshua will redeem His talmidim before the Wrath of God (known as "The Tribulation") falls on this earth. Some of you are dumb enough to cosign me to hell for such a belief, but that's on you not me. As for when (pre-Trib, mid-Trib, pre-Wrath-Trib or no-Trib (amillennalism)) the LORD Yeshua comes back no one can say with a certainty, that is a mystery for our idleness not a debating point, a mystery, not only to us but to Yeshua's closest talmids.

As followers of the Messiah we are not called to take people to the rapture airport (Rev. 4:1) but to Romans Road (Rom. 10:9-13). It shouldn't matter to us when our LORD comes for us just that we be on watch and ready to go when He comes. But I will say this for the pre-Trib rapture of the talmidim of the Messiah -- there are more verses for it than against it (if there are any verses against it at all).

Evangelist and pastor, Oliver B. Green, once said the word "rapture" never turns up in the Bible, "but the Bible sure teaches it." He is right, one example for me is how the Bible points out so clearly humans from the other creatures in Heaven. They are the people wearing the white robes, with crowns on their heads and with thrones to sit on (Rev. 19:19, Rev 4:4).

If you don't think you are going to be raptured into the clouds to be with your Savior Yeshua that's fine, but Yeshua has a rapture message for this generation and it can be found in Revelation 3:10 and Revelation 3: 16. Do you want to be saved from this world's "hour of temptation" or be left out of Yeshua's assembly of talmidim? Missing out of the LORD's open door to Heaven (Rev. 4:1).

All of that is great -- but my end time, latter days theory I have of ancient Tarshish being today's USA happens way (or right) before the Tribulation, so that rapture argument isn't for this study.

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Comment by Rav Nadav (Lonnie Miller) on December 7, 2009 at 7:29am
Wow! That really took me by surprize. I'm not into the condemnation, but shock that such an intelligent brother would believe this. Please read 2 Thessalonians, chapters 1 and 2.
Comment by Richard Allen Duncan on December 7, 2009 at 7:48am
I surely enjoy your posts Lionel...And I am sure you are heading up, not down..but this one caught me by surprise!
We will not be kept From the tribulation...but Kept THROUGH the tribulation...Yahshua said Immediately AFTER the tribulation shall He send forth His angels to gather together His elect...And when He says He will come As A Thief in Revelation 16:15...The next verse says they gathered together for Armaggeddon...

I have to agree with what James' article implied...That the Non Event of the "Pretrib Rapture" will be a Major Faith Shattering Event for any who believe such a notion...Rather they be Christians or Messianics...

I wonder if Your theology on this issue might have room for some sort of a Supernatural Re-Gathereing of Israel at the beginning of the Tribulation that you are seeing as the Pretrib Rapture insread?!?

I am most intrigued by James' theory of some Supernatural "Elijah like" catching away/gathering back to Israel...Because my vissions from many years ago seemed to imply an event similar to this.

Could something like that account for this pretrib catching away event that you are seeing before the tribulation...with the "Posttrib Rapture later?

May YHWH Bless You Brother
Comment by Lionel Lenox on December 10, 2009 at 2:09am
Point taken -- thanmk you Rick


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