"So you are trusting translations?I can also ask you the same question, which translations did you cite when you created the HRV? Which translation did you cite in your Pro-Torah posts? For example with Ephesians 2:15 every translation says that the…"
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ben Yisrael commented on Rabbi Yochanan ben Avraham's blog post Is Y'shua God? A Consideration of Colossians One and Related Texts"What translation of 1Cor. 1:24 are you quoting? I can find none from either the Greek or the Aramaic that agrees with the one you quote above."
ben Yisrael commented on Rabbi Yochanan ben Avraham's blog post Is Y'shua God? A Consideration of Colossians One and Related Texts"James said:Does that mean Messiah is an imperssonal force as well?Shalom JamesOf course Not, the Messiah is not an impersonal force1 Cor. 1:24 does not say that the Messiah is the power of YHWH:But unto them which are called, both Judeans…"
"But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.(1Cor. 1:24 KJV)Does that mean Messiah is an imperssonal force as well?"
ben Yisrael commented on Rabbi Yochanan ben Avraham's blog post Is Y'shua God? A Consideration of Colossians One and Related Texts"You seem to misinterpret totally the scriptures.YHWH Elohim (the father) is YHWH the spirit, his power is called Holy spirit and it is given to other people.Let us see what is the comforter that you mentioned:…I will ask my Father and he will…"
"YHWH as a “comforter” is also known as the Ruach HaKodesh (Holy Spirit) as we read in Yochanan:…I will ask my Father and he will give you another comforter that will be with you forever, The Spirit of Truth … …"
ben Yisrael commented on Rabbi Yochanan ben Avraham's blog post Is Y'shua God? A Consideration of Colossians One and Related Texts"YHWH alone did lead him,And there was no strange god with Him.(Deut. 32:11)Yes, YHWH leads people, but how?He leads us by HIS Ruach…The Spirit of YHWH caused them to rest;So did You lead Your people…(Is. 63:14)So YHWH leads people by…"
"There can also be no doubt that the Ruach HaKodesh is YHWH. The following comparisons make this clear:
YHWH alone did lead him,
And there was no strange god with Him.
(Deut. 32:11)
…The Spirit of YHWH…"
"It is interesting that when some Orthodox Jewish Chabadniks decided that their late Rebbe Schneerson is the Messiah, they also came to the natural conclusion (based on that false premise) of the deity of their…"
ben Yisrael commented on Rabbi Yochanan ben Avraham's blog post Is Y'shua God? A Consideration of Colossians One and Related Texts"Shalom JamesThe view that I presented is the view that is accepted by most of Normative Rabbinic Jews.The writings of Eliyahu Kaplan are the guide par excellence of the modern Orthodox Jews, and they tell us that:"Every name and every…"
">The Ruach Hakodesh is not the third member of >a supposed trinity but uniquely a divine force. It is clear from the Scriptures that that the Ruach has many qualities that are not characteristic of an impersonal force. The Holy Spirit…"
">You should know that the divine attributes are not YHWH >because they are only names and attributes to Elohim. >They do not describe his essence or being because >YHWH is above his names and attributes.
OK I will post this ONE MORE…"
ben Yisrael commented on Rabbi Yochanan ben Avraham's blog post Is Y'shua God? A Consideration of Colossians One and Related Texts"Also, In Judaism, the idea of a Messiah YHWH in flesh is considered heretical , because the Jewish Messiah is a man, and YHWH cannot become a man:If a man claims himself to be Elohim, he is a liar …"
ben Yisrael commented on Rabbi Yochanan ben Avraham's blog post Is Y'shua God? A Consideration of Colossians One and Related Texts"You should know that the divine attributes are not YHWH because they are only names and attributes to Elohim. They do not describe his essence or being because YHWH is above his names and attributes. They just describe his actions:"Every name…"
"26 And Elohim said: Let us make man in our image; after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the…"
"Mankind was created in the image of Elohim (Gen. 1:26-27; 1Cor. 11:7). This image of Elohim is an invisible image of attributes, which make up the Godhead (Col. 1:15; Rom. 1:27). Because that which may be known of Elohim is manifest in them; for…"
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- Do you consider yourself a:
- Messianic Jew
- Books I consider Canonical:
- Tanak (Old Testament), Ketuvim Netzarim (New Testament)
- Favorite version of Scriptures:
- Other
- About me:
- I live in Northern California with my wife and one of my two adult sons. I am a messianic rabbi at Temple Beth HaSHem and provost of Yeshiva Beth HaShem
I am the owner and author of JewToo.org where I post many studies on Messianic Judaism.
My beliefs differ in various respects from many who apply these various terms to their beliefs. I believe what I find revealed in the scriptures and by the Ruach HaKodesh of HaShem. I realize that we are all "gazing into a darkened glass" seeking the Light and hence I respect all people who sincerely seek Truth whether we agree on the details or not and I always open to deeper insights and understandings.
After years of in depth study into many of the world's religions (including converting into several of them to understand them from the inside) I have determined to my satisfaction that biblical religion under the reforms established by Adon Y'shua HaNatzrati (Master Jesus of Nazareth) and his talmidim (students) is the Way of the One God.
I chose "Nazarene Israelite" from the listed choices, but Noahide Nazarene is my handle of choice. "Nazarene Israelite" is an appropriate term I think because we Gentiles have been "grafted" onto the Tree of Israel. I consider the name "Jew" and "Judaism" to be correctly reserved for practitioners of that established religion.
As for my favorite translation of the Scriptures... I love the Authorized King James version, the beauty of the language and its basic devotion to the Textus Receptus. When doing in depth studies I often use it along with various reference works to confirm the translations.
For reading I like the Complete Jewish Bible.
- Marital Status
- Married
- Interests:
- Studying the Holy Scriptures, writing studies on their teachings, writing the curriculum for Yeshiva Beth HaShem sharing with others who are interested.
Watching politics, noting the prophetic connections and discussing these with others. I am convinced that the coming of Moshiach is imminent and I find the prophecies both timely and intriguing.
- What is your favorite Book of the Scriptures?
- Job
- What is your favorite verse?
- There are several that really speak to me:
Job chapters 38-42
All of Romans 11.
John 4:22
John 3:17
Micah 6:6-8
Psalm 110
- What is your favorite quote? (From Scripture or elsewhere)
- Psalms 82:
1 A psalm of Asaf: Elohim [God] stands in the divine assembly; there with the elohim [judges], he judges: 2 "How long will you go on judging unfairly, favoring the wicked? (Selah) 3 Give justice to the weak and fatherless! Uphold the rights of the wretched and poor! 4 Rescue the destitute and needy; deliver them from the power of the wicked!" 5 They don't know, they don't understand, they wander about in darkness; meanwhile, all the foundations of the earth are being undermined. 6 "My decree is: 'You are elohim [gods, judges], sons of the Most High all of you. 7 Nevertheless, you will die like mortals; like any prince, you will fall.'" 8 Rise up, Elohim, and judge the earth; for all the nations are yours.
- How did you hear of NazareneSpace?
- Was invited via e-mail by James Trimm
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Is Y'shua God? A Consideration of Colossians One and Related Texts
Posted on July 8, 2010 at 1:13pm 109 Comments 0 Likes
 "The Earth Belongs to HaShem and the Fullness Thereof." Is Y'shua God?A Consideration of Colossians One and Related TextsBy Yochanan ben Avraham (John of AllFaith) 01.24.10 (last updated 7.5.10)Short answer: No. |
The Return of Y'shua and Psalms 110: Understanding Y'shua as Cohen Gadol and Moshiach
Posted on July 7, 2010 at 10:27am 0 Comments 0 Likes
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Comment Wall (12 comments)
- At 6:45am on July 7, 2010,
Johan Refai said… - ShalomYochanan
I am more than thrilled and pleasedn to have you not only as a friend but more as a true brother and am really interested in reading a lot about your thoughts and hopes I like to know you truely not only virtually I speak about 10 languages tell me what you do in life and what languages you speak
Kol Tov le vracha ou le hatslacha
Johan
Ps Johan is the same as yochanan
- At 7:50pm on July 7, 2010,
Cliff Tucker said…
- Yochanan, a pleasure to get acquainted. Thanks for the invite.
- At 9:28pm on July 7, 2010,
Wendy Jones said… - Thank you for the invite and welcome to Nazarenespace. I have been on here for a few months now and truly love reading posts and discussions of all types, look forward to some of your writings. :) Shalom.
- At 10:02pm on July 7, 2010,
James Trimm said…
- At 10:05pm on July 7, 2010,
- On another topic you might find this series of blog interesting:
http://nazarenespace.ning.com/profiles/blogs/revelations-concerning-the
http://nazarenespace.ning.com/profiles/blogs/the-word-of-yhwh-revealed-part
http://nazarenespace.ning.com/profiles/blogs/the-word-of-yhwh-revealed-part-1
http://nazarenespace.ning.com/profiles/blogs/the-word-of-yhwh-revealed-part-2
http://nazarenespace.ning.com/profiles/blogs/the-word-of-yhwh-revealed-part-3
- At 10:48pm on July 7, 2010,
- Thank you for your kind words.
- At 3:31pm on July 8, 2010,
Rabbi Yochanan ben Avraham said… - Thanks for these links to your studies James.
I comment on them on the pages so wont do so again here. I do not think the case for the deity of made on them however.
I share my understandings on this matter here:
http://nazarenespace.ning.com/profiles/blogs/is-yshua-god-a-consideration?xg_source=activity
And would be interested in your thoughts.
Shalom
- At 6:28pm on July 9, 2010, Rabbi Yochanan ben Avraham said…
- I'm not interested in Rev. Moon's claims but thanks.
- At 8:30pm on July 11, 2010,
Jim Wright said… - Hello Yochanan -
I just acepted your friend invite and would like to invite you to examine my website.
Here is a good place to start:
http://www.lumberguy.net/359Satansnumber.html
Welcome to Nazarene Space
Many Blessings -
Jim Wright
http://www.lumberguy.net/index.html
- At 4:02am on July 26, 2010, Wendy Jones gave Rabbi Yochanan ben Avraham a gift…
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