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Is the Talmud for Replacement Theology?
Started this discussion. Last reply by beryl etanah Apr 4. 11 Replies 0 Likes
The Talmud is full of curious and extravagant statements.What do you all think of the following statement?Rab Judah also said in Rab's name: The first man spoke Aramaic, for it is written, How…Continue
Tags: Hebrew, Aramaic, Theology, Replacement, Talmud
The Precise Chronology of Maschiach's Death and Resurrection
Started this discussion. Last reply by Yirmeyahu on Friday. 165 Replies 0 Likes
Let's reconstruct from Scripture the exact Chronology of Yeshua's death. With understanding this can be done simply, using a few specific scriptures to fit the puzzle pieces together coherently. …Continue
Was the Fig Tree of Matthew 21:19 Rabbinic Authority?
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Matthew 21:18-19 reads:Now in the morning as he (Yeshua) returned into the city, he hungered.And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said…Continue
Does Levitcus 23 Prophesy About Yeshua's Death, Resurrection and Shavuot?
Started this discussion. Last reply by Yirmeyahu Apr 3. 1 Reply 0 Likes
In the Gospels Yeshua haMaschiach told his Talmidim five different times that he must suffer, be rejected and killed, and then raised on the third day (Matt 16:21; 17:23; 20:19; Luke 9:22; John…Continue
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mikha El replied to Yirmeyahu's discussion How should "and there was evening and there was morning, day X" be interpreted? in the group Alternate Calendar Debate
Jim Wright replied to Yirmeyahu's discussion How to Harmonize the Gospel Accounts of Messiahs Last Supper and Death in the group Alternate Calendar Debate"Hi Yirmeyahu -
Both of these premises disagree with The Torah, from your post:
The Pharisees (who use the Hasidic Passover/Unleavend Bread System) considered that the 7 days of Unleavened Bread were the 15th - 21st of Nisan and they kept the…"
Yirmeyahu replied to Yirmeyahu's discussion The Precise Chronology of Maschiach's Death and Resurrection"As I said I would I have prepared a post explaining some key aspects vitally important to timing of the Last Supper and death of Messiah including background info that I left out from this post. Specifically I have addressed historical issues…"
Yirmeyahu replied to Yirmeyahu's discussion How to Harmonize the Gospel Accounts of Messiahs Last Supper and Death in the group Alternate Calendar Debate"There is one more minor obstacle to address. Due to translational difficulties Matthew 27:57 is rendered "evening". In reality a time before sunset and after the sun has started to arc away from its highest position in the sky,…"
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How to Harmonize the Gospel Accounts of Messiahs Last Supper and Death
How to Harmonize the Gospel accounts of Yeshua's Death Some important questions for a Messianic Believer trying to walk out his or her Faith Biblically are: "When should I keep Passover?""Which days are the 7 days of Unleavened Bread?"These exact same questions were being debated in the days when Yeshua haMaschiach came to earth. For those who analyze this sort of thing, the term "Passover System" is used to describe a given usage of observing a certain night for the Passover meal in…See More
Yirmeyahu replied to Yirmeyahu's discussion How should "and there was evening and there was morning, day X" be interpreted? in the group Alternate Calendar Debate"Yes they are. look again:
the sun set Gen 15 השמש באהכי־בא השמש Gen 28:11 when the sun set when the sun will set (he will be clean) Lev 22:7 ובא…"
Yirmeyahu replied to Yirmeyahu's discussion How should "and there was evening and there was morning, day X" be interpreted? in the group Alternate Calendar Debate"Your interpretation of evening is such that you make evening follow morning. It is stated six times in Gen 1 that evening follows morning. And there was evening and there was morning, day X".
To any but the twistiest of…"
Yirmeyahu replied to Yirmeyahu's discussion How should "and there was evening and there was morning, day X" be interpreted? in the group Alternate Calendar Debate"Beryl, your citation of Josephus is not helpful for two reasons. 1st) being born in 37 CE he would have only seen first hand evidence after the era in which the Pharisees had already grasped power. Try asking a teenager today to tell you…"
beryl etanah replied to Yirmeyahu's discussion How should "and there was evening and there was morning, day X" be interpreted? in the group Alternate Calendar Debate"
you have bad manners of not meeting sound interpellations. you do not even know the basic rules of sound debate. your wicked pretensions are becoming obvious to everyone now.
answer my questions.
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beryl etanah replied to Yirmeyahu's discussion How should "and there was evening and there was morning, day X" be interpreted? in the group Alternate Calendar Debate"
where are your replies to these refutations?
--your interpretation is anachronistic. when it groweth unto evening it means it is already coming, since the sun does not stop from its movement. i have said: " there is no…"
beryl etanah replied to Yirmeyahu's discussion How should "and there was evening and there was morning, day X" be interpreted? in the group Alternate Calendar Debate"
--you have not yet settled this one very important evidence against you. for elsewhere you said:
and to that i replied in this manner:
--okay if you say "evening sacrifice" they differ, then show us how the…"
beryl etanah replied to Yirmeyahu's discussion How should "and there was evening and there was morning, day X" be interpreted? in the group Alternate Calendar Debate" how in your Hebrew can these--השמש באהכי־בא השמשובא השמשבערב כבוא השמש
be equal to כבוא השמש ? they are not the same. rather this is what you should satisfy first if you want to prove that "evening" is nothing but…"
beryl etanah replied to Yirmeyahu's discussion How should "and there was evening and there was morning, day X" be interpreted? in the group Alternate Calendar Debate"
it doesn't make any difference.
okay let us use your syntax: "as the sun came down", still the Hebrew כבוא השמש remained, it bears the concept that it is "going down" it does not yet disappear. one passage…"
Yirmeyahu replied to Yirmeyahu's discussion How should "and there was evening and there was morning, day X" be interpreted? in the group Alternate Calendar Debate"Here is a survey of how Deut 16:6 is rendered into English by various translators
KJV
But at the place which the LORD thy God shall choose to place his name in, there thou shalt sacrifice the passover at even, at the going down of the sun, at the…"
Yirmeyahu replied to Yirmeyahu's discussion How should "and there was evening and there was morning, day X" be interpreted? in the group Alternate Calendar Debate"Here is another example of a KAPH being prefixed to the exact same verb "BO" בוא , just like we see in Deut 16:6, which your interpretation has ruined.
Gen 12:14
ויהי כבוא אברם מצרימה ויראו המצרים את־האשה כי־יפה הוא מאד
So it was,…"
Yirmeyahu replied to Yirmeyahu's discussion How should "and there was evening and there was morning, day X" be interpreted? in the group Alternate Calendar Debate"Once again you are asking us to accept an interpretation of Scripture which no sane person has ever adhered to.
You, are saying that the Hebrew idiom "the entering of the sun", consisting of the verb בוא + השמש "Bo…"
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- At 8:59pm on March 22, 2012, Jim Wright said…
Hi Yirmryahu -
Yes I will be more than happy to add you to my friends list, sorry for the delay, I have been wading through a 100 e-mails in my In Box.
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Many Blessings -
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Erik Adoniqam said… - Shalom Chaver.
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