the world is full jam packed of idiots and ignorant persons who justify their evil. and this includes almost everyone including the socalled schlars. i will not blindly follow the fools. and i will not blindly follow you either. everyone is equal in capability and i am way beyond the scholars in terms of intelligence and wisdom so it would be an offense to condescend by asking them for their advice on the higher matters.
I need yours because you are trying to convince me of what you believe, so i need your rationale not theirs
What was you explanation for all the problems I presented, including the divorce thing?
Please post it again, ANDREW.
In fact, let me repost with elaborated and clarified questions, so you can read it carefully and adress my many points, Andrew.
229 A divorce is only permissible twice: after that, the parties should either hold together on equitable terms, or separate with kindness. It is not lawful for you, (Men), to take back any of your gifts (from your wives), except when both parties fear that they would be unable to keep the limits ordained by God. If ye (judges) do indeed fear that they would be unable to keep the limits ordained by God, there is no blame on either of them if she give something for her freedom. These are the limits ordained by God; so do not transgress them if any do transgress the limits ordained by God, such persons wrong (themselves as well as others).
230 So if a husband divorces his wife (irrevocably), he cannot, after that, re-marry her until after she has married another husband and he has divorced her. In that case there is no blame on either of them if they re-unite, provided they feel that they can keep the limits ordained by God. Such are the limits ordained by God, which He makes plain to those who understand.
231 When ye divorce women, and they fulfil the term of their ('Iddat), either take them back on equitable terms or set them free on equitable terms; but do not take them back to injure them, (or) to take undue advantage; if any one does that; he wrongs his own soul. Do not treat God's Signs as a jest, but solemnly rehearse God's favours on you, and the fact that He sent down to you the Book and Wisdom, for your instruction. And fear God, and know that God is well acquainted with all things.
232 When ye divorce women, and they fulfil the term of their ('Iddat), do not prevent them from marrying their (former) husbands, if they mutually agree on equitable terms. This instruction is for all amongst you, who believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is (the course Making for) most virtue and purity amongst you and Allah knows, and ye know not.
This DIRECTLY contradicts: deut.24
4Her former husband, who sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife
Please tell me "again" how they can be harmonized. It clearly says in the Quran: "she is not lawful for him (to take as a wife) afterward until [after] she marries a husband other than him."
"I am not convinced it denies the crucifixion, and it denies He is the Son of God, but not the son of God. I know there aren't capitals but my poin is the Quran acknowledges that there can be sons of God, just not in the sense as Christians claim Him to be."
In my opinion, this is proof of immense ignorance about the Quran, and proof of an actual desire to adopt the sick puppy that is the Quran / the rantings of muhammed's demons.
The Quran has plenty of disharmonies with the Torah, as is plainly evident, just read the first two suras, for Christ's sake how blind can you be.
"And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain". S. 4:157 Pickthall
Seriously, go ahead and explain this in detail for me, "again".
Here are some more conflicts with the Bible:
189 They ask thee concerning the New Moons. Say: They are but signs to mark fixed periods of time in (the affairs of) men, and for Pilgrimage. It is no virtue if ye enter your houses from the back: It is virtue if ye fear God. Enter houses through the proper doors: And fear God: That ye may prosper.
This contradicts the Mosaic law, which gives us very contrary rulings on the new moons:
196 And complete the Ḥajj or 'umra in the service of God. But if ye are prevented (from completing it), send an offering for sacrifice, such as ye may find, and do not shave your heads until the offering reaches the place of sacrifice. And if any of you is ill, or has an ailment in his scalp, (necessitating shaving), (he should) in compensation either fast, or feed the poor, or offer sacrifice; and when ye are in peaceful conditions (again), if any one wishes to continue the 'umra on to the ḥajj, He must make an offering, such as he can afford, but if he cannot afford it, He should fast three days during the ḥajj and seven days on his return, Making ten days in all. This is for those whose household is not in (the precincts of) the Sacred Mosque. And fear God, and know that God is strict in punishment.
Why are none of these divine decrees included in the Mosaic laws?
Do you obey these divine decrees of your blessed prophet Muhammed, Sallaleyhu wasallam ?
219 They ask thee concerning wine and gambling. Say: "In them is great sin, and some profit, for men; but the sin is greater than the profit."
We are told here that by implication, Yeshua should not have been drinking wine, a common attack upon the Messiah levelled by many false religions, especially such as are of demonic origin.
144 We see the turning of thy face (for guidance) to the heavens: now shall We turn thee to a Qibla that shall please thee. Turn then thy face in the direction of the sacred Mosque: Wherever ye are, turn your faces in that direction. The people of the Book know well that that is the truth from their Lord. Nor is God unmindful of what they do.
145 Even if thou wert to bring to the people of the Book all the Signs (together), they would not follow Thy Qibla; nor art thou going to follow their Qibla; nor indeed will they follow each other's Qibla. If thou after the knowledge hath reached thee, Wert to follow their (vain) desires,-then wert thou indeed (clearly) in the wrong.
146 The people of the Book know this as they know their own sons; but some of them conceal the truth which they themselves know.
We are told the people of the Book following their vain desires, refuse to consent to the divine decree to turn toward the Sacred Mosque in Saudi Arabia when praying, and "conceal this truth".
i'll respond after my sabbaths =)
ok so go ahead.
Onieu bahn Duid said:
i'll respond after my sabbaths =)
lol. Now i don't even remember. i'll have to look it over.