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Krav Maga

Martial art system developed in Israel, involves striking, wrestling & grappling, known for very efficient & brutal counter-attacks, used by IDF Special Forces, adopted by law enforc. & intelligence org.s, Mossad & Shin Bet.

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Self defense and the Bible

Started by Dael L. McCoyle. Last reply by Dael L. McCoyle Mar 6, 2013. 7 Replies

What is your thoughts on self defense, from the points of:defense of ones self?defense of another?defense of your country?Continue

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Comment by Dael L. McCoyle on October 19, 2012 at 8:29pm

CONCEAL YOUR DEFENSE, BUT ALWAYS SHOW YOUR OFFENSE!
DAEL MCCOYLE ON CONCEALED DEFENSE TV

Comment by Dael L. McCoyle on October 19, 2012 at 8:32pm

THE FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE, TO NOT BE A VICTIM, IS TO NOT ACT LIKE A VICTIM!
DAEL MCCOYLE ON CONCEALED DEFENSE TV

Comment by T. J. (Mordecai) Mitchell on October 20, 2012 at 11:29am

It i quite interesting to know what thte Talmud says about self defense. I believe it is in the section Bava Metzia (not quite sure of that) that  we read:

If an evil doer is coming to kill you, rise up, meet him in the way, and kill him first.

I believe what this is saying is that we don't have to wait for a true evil doer fires the first shot to know if he (or she) is trying to kill us.

Here in Pennsylvania we have adopted the "Castle Doctrine," i.e. Every man's home is his castle. Prior to that, the laws so read that if, for example, a home invader(s) kicked in your front door, you had to run out the back. Thankfully, some of our more conservative legislators came to understand that such thinking was greatly detrimental to the safety and security of a free state.

Many years ago I was into the martial arts. However, due to spinal stenosis and degenerative arthritis I can no longer perform anywhere near as I was once able. (Thankfully our two sons, Ariel and Ethan have black belts in Taekwando. Ariel is soon leaving for the Marine Corps and soon after that, Ethan will join him). 

I am 68 years old and a disabled veteran and go for therapy weekly at th V.A. Hospital in Pittsburgh. However, we are still able to adequately defend ourselves and our home and property via firearms.

It is my belief that everyone who is able should have a minimum of three firearms: a good rifle, a shotgun and a handgun. Joanne and I are grateful that Pennsylvania permits concealed carry. Neither one of us would have any qualms about using deadly force if and when such would become necessary.

As Dael said, "The first line of defense...is to not act like a victim." When you present yourself to a criminal as an adversary rather than a victim, nine times out of 10 they have a change of heart and go off to seek out a real victim.

SEMPER FI! 

Comment by Dael L. McCoyle on October 20, 2012 at 7:30pm

WELL SAID TOM! NORTH CAROLINA USE TO HAVE THE RETREAT LAW, IF SOMEONE CAME INTO YOUR HOME, YOU HAD TO RETREAT TO THE FURTHEST PART OF YOUR HOME, AND YOU HAD TO BE IN "FEAR" OF YOUR LIFE BEFORE YOU WERE ALLOWED TO TAKE ACTION. NOW, IF SOMEONE IS BEATING DOWN YOUR DOOR AND YOU KNOW THEY ARE THERE TO DO YOU BODILY HARM, YOU CAN SHOOT THROUGH THE DOOR AND TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS. WITH LAWS LIKE THIS BEING PUT INTO ACTION, IT MAKES CRIMINALS PAUSE AND THINK, WHICH IS A GOOD THING, BECAUSE IF THEY KNOW THEY MAY GET SHOT OR KILLED, THEY WON'T RISK IT. AND NOW, YOUR VEHICLE HAS THE SAME RIGHTS AS YOUR HOUSE!!!! YEAHHHHH TO N.C. LEGISLATORS!!!!  

Comment by Dael L. McCoyle on October 20, 2012 at 10:04pm

DON'T TAKE ME WRONG, I LOVE KRAV MAGA, BUT ACTION SPEAKS LOUDER THAN WORDS. SO I HAVE TO POST THIS IN THE NEXT THREAD.

Comment by Dael L. McCoyle on October 20, 2012 at 10:06pm

KRAV MAGA VS KUNG FU!
THIS IS AN ARGUMENT THAT I HAVE HEARD OVER THE PAST 5 TO 10 YEARS. WHICH IS BEST? WELL, I WANTED TO KNOW TO, SINCE I WANTED TO TAKE ONE NOT ONLY FOR SELF DEFENSE, BUT TO CONDITION MY BODY AND TO TRY TO AID IN THE HEALING OF IT AFTER MY MOTORCYCLE ACCIDENT IN NOVEMBER OF 2010. I HAVE HEARD COMMENTS THAT KRAV MAGA WILL BEAT ANY MARTIAL ARTS OUT THERE, AND THAT KRAV MAGA USERS WILL OUT LAST OTHER MARTIAL ARTS STYLES. OF COURSE, MOST OF THESE COMMENTS COME FORM "ARMCHAIR MARTIAL ARTIST EXPERTS!" NOW, I LOVE KRAV MAGA! IT MEANS "CONTACT COMBAT", OR "CLOSE COMBAT" OR AS WE KNOW IT, "HAND TO HAND COMBAT". IT IS A HARD HANDED STYLE, IT IS FAST AND GETS TO THE POINT IN MOST CASES. IT WAS CREATED BY IMI LICHTENFELD, A HUNGARIAN BORN JEWISH ISRAELI WHO DEVELOPED IT IN THE 1930'S AND 40'S, IT HAS UNDERGONE VARIOUS CHANGES TO PROVIDE AN EXCELLENT HAND TO HAND METHOD OF COMBAT USED BY THE ISRAELI DEFENSE FORCES, VARIOUS U.S. LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES, AND OTHERS. TODAY IT IS AN ORGANIZED ASSOCIATION.
KUNG FU, WITH IT'S VARIOUS STYLES, HAS BEEN AROUND FOR HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF YEARS. IT HAS UNDERGONE MANY CHANGES TO BE KNOWN TO WHAT IT IS TODAY. IT IS A SOFT HANDED STYLE, THAT CAN EITHER BE USED TO DETAIN, WITH OUT SERIOUS INJURY, OR KILL. KUNG FU IS THE MARTIAL ART THAT WAS MADE FAMOUS BY ACTOR BRUCE LEE. LEE EVEN DEVELOPED HIS OWN STYLE OF KUNG FU, TAKING OUT THE "DANCE" OF THE ART. A GREAT STYLE IN ITSELF, AND ONE HE USED IN HIS MOVIES. SO, WHICH IS BEST? KRAV MAGA OR KUNG FU? LOOKING AT THE STATUS OF BOTH, AND NOT THE COMMENTS OF "ARMCHAIR EXPERTS", KUNG FU USERS DO HAVE THE ADVANTAGE, IF A USER OF BOTH ARTS WERE TO MEET IN A SITUATION, THE KUNG FU ARTIST WOULD HAVE THE UPPER HAND, WHY? FIRST OFF, KRAV MAGA IS MADE UP OF VARIOUS OTHER MARTIAL ARTS, KUNG FU IS ONE OF THOSE ARTS, BUT IT IS AN ART ALL TO ITS ON. THE TRAINING RECEIVED BY KUNG FU ARTISTS HAS BEEN DEMONSTRATED TIME AND TIME AGAIN TO BE THE BEST DEFENSIVE STYLE BECAUSE THAT WAS WHAT IT WAS DESIGNED FOR, NOT TO ATTACK, EVEN THOUGH IT CAN BE USED FOR THAT, BUT, FOR PRIMARILY A DEFENSIVE POSTURE. NOW, THIS IS WHERE THE "ARMCHAIR EXPERTS" LOSE THEIR STATUS ON KNOWING EVERYTHING. ALL KUNG FU ARTISTS, ARE CONDITIONED TO OUTLAST THEIR OPPONENTS. THE TRAINING IN KUNG FU NOT ONLY TRAINS IN THE FIGHTING ASPECTS OF THE ART, BUT THE CONDITIONING ASPECTS OF THE BODY AS WELL. SOME OF THE POSTURES OF KUNG FU HAVE TO BE HELD FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME, THIS IN TURN, BUILDS NOT ONLY THE PHYSICAL ATTRIBUTES, BUT THE MENTAL AS WELL. SO, THIS CLAIM THAT KRAV MAGA ARTISTS CAN OUTLAST ALL OTHER MARTIAL ARTISTS, IS SIMPLY A FALSE CLAIM ONCE AGAIN BY "ARMCHAIR EXPERTS".
KUNG FU ALSO HAS HEALING QUALITIES ABOUT IT. EVERY MOVE IN KUNG FU, USES ENERGY THAT WORKS AND HEALS THE BODY AND ORGANS. I HAVE NOTICED A CHANGE IN MY OWN BODY SINCE I STARTED KUNG FU A MONTH AGO. I CAN TELL THAT THE INJURED PARTS OF MY BODY ARE GETTING STRONGER. I CAN LIFT SOME WEIGHT ABOVE MY HEAD NOW WITH MY RIGHT ARM. THIS, WAS IMPOSSIBLE A FEW MONTHS AGO. ALL THE DEEP BRUISES THAT THE DOCTORS SAID WOULD TAKE YEARS TO HEAL, I BELIEVE ARE GOING TO TAKE SHORTER TIME TO HEAL. THIS IS AN AMAZING ART SYSTEM, NOT JUST FOR THE FIGHTING AND DEFENSE, BUT FOR THE CONFIDENCE AND HEALING THAT IS INVOLVED.
SO YOU ASK, WHAT IF I HAVE NEITHER IN MY AREA? ALL I HAVE IS TAI KWON DO, OR JU JITSU? GOOD QUESTION! USE THE ONE IN YOUR AREA. SELF DEFENSE IS JUST THAT, SELF DEFENSE. REGARDLESS OF THE STYLE, YOU WILL LEARN HOW TO DEFEND YOURSELF AND OTHERS. DO NOT GET CAUGHT UP IN WHICH STYLE IS BETTER. IN FACT, I LOVE, "SHOTGUN DO", THE USING OF FIREARMS, CARRYING CONCEALED, BUT IF I AM IN A PLACE THAT REFUSES TO LET ME CARRY MY FIREARM ON ITS PREMISES, THEN I WOULD WANT SOMETHING TO USE SECONDARY, AND THAT, IS MARTIAL ARTS, AND IN MY CASE, I AM BLESSED TO HAVE IN MY AREA: TAI KWON DO, KARATE, JUDO, JU JITSU, RUSSIAN SYSTEMA, AND OF COURSE, THE ONE I TRAIN AT, THE EMPERORS LONG FIST KUNG FU!

Comment by James Trimm on October 20, 2012 at 10:15pm

I have heard that there are no Krav Maga tournaments because there is no point system... one "wins" when one's opponent is to injured or to dead to be a further threat.

Comment by Dael L. McCoyle on October 21, 2012 at 3:48am

THERE ARE SOME KRAV MAGA ARTISTS IN THE MMA, BUT SO FAR, NONE OF THEM HAS MADE AN IMPACT WITH THE ART. THE SYSTEM IS NOT HARD TO SCORE, IT WOULD FOLLOW GENERAL SCORING RULES AS DOES SYSTEMA, MUAY TAI, AND ALL THE REST. THE PROBLEM IS, THAT ONCE AGAIN, THE WESTERN MINDSET IS TRYING TO TAKE OVER THE EASTERN MINDSET. THE US KRAV MAGA ARTISTS AND ASSOCIATIONS ARE IN CONFLICT WITH ISRAELI KRAV MAGA ORGANIZATIONS, CHIEFLY, THE ISRAELI KRAV MAGA ASSOCIATION, THE KRAV MAGA HEADQUARTERS FOUNDED BY LICHTENFELD HIMSELF.

SINCE KRAV MAGA IS FAIRLY NEW TO THE MARTIAL ARTS ARENA, THEY ONLY STARTED DOING THE BELT RANK LIKE MARTIAL ARTS SCHOOLS, I THINK, WHEN THE FOUNDER RETIRED FROM THE MILITARY AND OPENED HIS OWN SCHOOL. BUT I COULD BE WRONG ON THAT.

KRAV MAGA IS A GREAT AND USEFUL TOOL FOR ANYONE, BUT THE US MARINES REJECTED IT BECAUSE THEY FELT THAT THERE SYSTEM IS STILL MORE VALUABLE THAN KRAV MAGA. BUT TO EACH, HIS OWN. 

Comment by T. J. (Mordecai) Mitchell on October 26, 2012 at 12:36pm

Yes, there is much debate about which martial arts system is the "best." I compare this to firearms. Some will argue that the 9mm isbetter than a .380, the .40 is better than the 9, and "Old Slab Sides" (the .45 Auto) is better than them all.

Well, my opinion, whether martial arts or firearms is: It's the man (or woman) not the gun. It's the skill and ability to use what you have or have learned and the hutzpah to use it to the nth degree when needed, sparing none.

Where can you learn Krav Maga? I'm too old and am too disabled to get back into martial arts (that's why I carry and have pepper spray handy) but our sons, Ariel and Ethan (who both have black belts in Taekwando) might be interested if there is a school near us in western Pa.

Comment by Dael L. McCoyle on October 28, 2012 at 7:09pm

YOU GOT THAT RIGHT TOM, I HAVE SEEN GUYS USE A 22 CAL AND PUT ALL OTHERS TO SHAME. IT DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH ONE WANTS TO GROW IN THE FIELD OF THEIR KNOWLEDGE. AS THE OLD SAYING GOES, PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE, THEN PRACTICE AGAIN. YOU ALWAYS PRACTICE AS YOU WOULD BE DOING IT IN A REAL LIFE SITUATION, AND THEN SOME.

HERE IS A LINK TO A KRAV MAGA WEBSITE WITH INSTRUCTORS IN PENNSYLVANIA, HOPE IT HELPS.

http://www.commandokravmaga.com/html/locations/pa.html

HERE IS THE WEBSITE FOR CONCEALED DEFENSE TV, WE ARE JUST GETTING THINGS SET UP, BUT HOPE TO HAVE MORE AS WE GO ALONG.

WE DO NOT HAVE A KRAV MAGA INSTRUCTOR IN OUR AREA, BUT I WAS BLESSED TO FIND AND HAVE AN "EMPERORS LONG FIST KUNG FU" INSTRUCTOR WITH VARIOUS OTHER STYLES AS WELL. THEN OUR FIREARMS INSTRUCTOR IS ALSO LAW ENFORCEMENT CERTIFIED WITH THE STATE IN UNARMED SELF DEFENSE, SO WE HAVE SOME GREAT THINGS COMING VERY SOON THAT ANYONE CAN USE REGARDLESS OF YOUR AGE OR PHYSICAL CONDITION.

http://www.concealeddefensetv.com/index.html

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