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A support group for families and singles who have chosen homebirth and need encouragement, ideas, etc. Also a great place to talk about herbal medicine, breastfeeding and the like. Please - no antagonists - this is a group to uplift, encourag

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Comment by Pearl on April 26, 2009 at 1:24pm
I encourage all women to breastfeed their babies and continue for as long as you wish. Breastfeeding makes happy healthy children and has benefits for their entire lifetime, and yours too. Please consider giving your baby the best start in life.
Comment by Scarlet on July 8, 2009 at 9:40pm
Netflix has the Business of Being Born and also Pregnant in America. I have heard both movies were good.
Comment by Margaret Frost on October 28, 2010 at 3:49pm
considerations about circumcision

Milah = only the tip of the foreskin is snipped. (Circa the time of Abraham until 140 A.D.)
Periah = the entire fold of skin, the prepuce, is amputated. (Circa 140 A.D. until today)
The circumcision perform today is "Periah". Yahweh asks for "Milah". There is a VAST difference between Milah and Periah.

The Milah is a blood sacrifice, not an amputation. It is comparable to the female wedding night blood sacrifice. The Periah is an amputation of the foreskin. It is comparable to ghastly female mutilation. The Periah form of circumcision did not begin until 140AD.
Periah circumcision is a lie, a counterfeit!

Circumcision: Then and Now
http://www.cirp.org/library/history/peron2/

this link contains actual pictures that may disturb some.
http://www.covenantcircumcision.info/
Comment by James Trimm on October 28, 2010 at 4:23pm
Margret,

James E. Peron, Ed.D. seems to be the "source" on this... I would like to see ancient documentation, anything else is just something someone made up.
Comment by James Trimm on October 28, 2010 at 4:24pm
How does Dr. Peron know? Has he interviewd people from the time of Abraham until 140 C.E.?
Comment by James Trimm on October 28, 2010 at 4:40pm
Margret,

I did not notice any photos taken prior to 140 CE for comparison...

While that may have been laced with sarcasm it highlights the point... we have no such pictures, so how do these people KNOW? Is there someplace in the ancient writings, Josephus, Philo, The Dead Sea Scrolls or the Mishna which records a change in how circumcisions were performed?

If so, cite it, if not it sounds like just something else (like so many others) that someone made up in modern times with no historical documentation and suddenly people jump on the bandwagon because they are hungry for a new idea or cause.
Comment by James Trimm on October 28, 2010 at 4:47pm
Just a quick bit of research shows that Margret's very defensive "fact" is in fact a "hypothesis" proposed in 2007!!!


(A hypothesis is an educated GUESS)

The Oxford Dictionary of the Jewish Religion, hypothesizes that the present form of circumcision, involving periah (peeling back the foreskin), was commenced during the Second Temple period. According to this hypothesis, Jewish hellenists, wanting to assimilate into Greek society, obliterated the sign of their circumcisions by finding ways to lengthen them, to make it look as if they had not been circumcised at all.[33] This practice was unacceptable to the Jewish community at large, and led to the complete removal of the foreskin to expose the glans. The frenulum may also be cut away at the same time, in a procedure called frenectomy.[34]

[34] Stuart, Robin (July 2007). "MALE INITIATION AND THE PHIMOSIS TABOOS". APPLIED RESEARCH on CIRCUMCISION (Arc). http://www.phimosis-circumcision.com/welcome.html. Retrieved 2007-10-05.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brit_milah#cite_note-33
Comment by Margaret Frost on October 29, 2010 at 3:17pm
The facts are confirmed in the Jewish Encyclopedia.

In order to prevent the obliteration of the "seal of the covenant" on the flesh, as circumcision was henceforth called, the Rabbis, probably after the war of Bar Kokba (see Yeb. l.c.; Gen. R. xlvi.), instituted the "peri'ah" (the laying bare of the glans), without which circumcision was declared to be of no value (Shab. xxx. 6).

Read more: http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=514&letter=C&a...
Comment by James Trimm on October 29, 2010 at 3:26pm
Really now... "probably"....

Well that settles it... its PROBABLY.
Comment by Margaret Frost on October 31, 2010 at 12:35am
In my quoted paragraph from the Jewish Encyclopedia, the word "probably" is describing the time period when this radical form circumcision began, some time around 140 AD.

I read this also in the Jewish Encyclopedia, towards the bottom of article...
The operation consists of three parts: "milah," "peri'ah," and "meẓiẓah."
"mezizah" sucking of the blood from the wound repeatedly.
(this last step is too close to drinking human blood and is not definitely not commanded)

"milah" is the Hebrew word for circumcision. These other steps, "periah" and "mezizah", have been added. Because of opposition "mezizah" has been discarded. It is probably time to discard "periah" as well.

Read more: http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=514&letter=C&a...

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