Y'shua and the Enochian calendar
According to the gospels of Mathew, Mark, and Luke, Y'shua ate the Passover meal
on Passover day (the 14th of Aviv), following the lambs being
slaughtered (Mat 26:17-21f, Mar 14:12-18f, & Luk 22:6-15f), and was
put to death the next day (Mat 27:1-50, Mar 15:1-37, & Luk
22:66-23:46). However, according to the gospel of John, He was put to
death on Passover day (Jn 19:14-30). Actually, all four gospels agree
that the day after He was put to death was considered a Sabbath (Mat
27:62, Mar 15:32, Luk 23:53, & Jn 19:31), and
that this Sabbath was not the weekly Sabbath because He was in in the tomb
three days (Mat 12:40, Mar 8:31, & Jn 2:19) and rose from the dead by the
first day of the week (Mat 28:1, Mar 16:9, Luk 24:1, & Jn 20:1), which is only
one day after the weekly Sabbath. So then all gospels agree that He was put to
death on the day before the first day of Unleavened Bread (a high Sabbath [Exo
12:16, Lev 23:7, & Jn 19:31]) -which would be Passover day. So the question is:
How can Y'shua have eaten of the Passover meal on Passover day and then be crucified the following day, if the following day was Passover day?
(Exo 12:6 reveals that the Passover lamb is to be slaughtered on the 14th,
and Due 16:6-7/Mar 14:12-18/Luk 22:7-15/common since reveal that the
meal was to take
place after this slaughtering. Thus, the meal was being kept at the END of the
14th, after the "going down of the sun", not prior to it. Furthermore,
Exo 12:17 & Num 33:3 makes it clear that the ancient Israelites
departed Egypt on the 15th day of the first Biblical month, which would
place the Passover meal at the end of the 14th day of the month.
If Y'shua ate the Passover meal 24 hours before the END of the 14th,
then the lambs would have been slaughtered at the "going down of the
sun"(Due 16:6) on the 13th and Mar 14:12-16/Luk 22:7-13 took place on
the 13th, contradicting Exo 12:6, & Mat 26:17/Mar 14:12/Luk 22:7.)
Two calendars were in used in His time, that’s how!
It is known among serious students of the Dead Sea Scrolls, that a
religious group of Jews who lived in the very time frame in which
Yahushua was born and raised,
used a calendar that was contrary to the more popular Jewish calendar in use at
that time (4Q320, 4Q325, 4Q329a, 4Q326, 4Q394, 4Q400, 4Q401, 4Q403, 4Q405) .
Whereas the more popular Jewish calendar is based on both the sun and
moon, this calendar is based solely on the sun. In this calendar, the
year begins on the day on which the sun was created, the fourth day of
the week, and lasts 364 days (4Q320 Frag. 2. Col 2 & Frag. 4 Col.
1, 4Q394 Frags. 307 Col. 1). This calendar is described in the book of
1Enoch (72:8, 11, 13, 15, 17, 19, 21, 23, 25, 27, 29, 31, & 32,
74:10, 12, &75:2), a book that is believed to be written by the
patriarch Enoch himself by the author of the book of Jude (14-15) and
containing many fitting end time prophecies, not just the one quoted in
Jude (1Eno 1:9, 5:6-9, 10:12-22, 15:11-16:1, 22:7-13, 25:3-6, 38:1-6,
39:6-7, 45:1-6, 47:1-48:10, 50:1-5, 51:1-5, 52:6-9, 53:1-54:10, 58:2-6,
60:6, 61:1-12, 62:1-16, 63:1-11, 67:2-13, 69:27-29, 90:26-38, 91:5-19,
92:3-5, 93:10,
94:11, 99:1-10, 100:4-6, 103:8, 104:5-7, 105:2,
108:1-15). (This book is also used by Y'shua, Shaul, Kepha, as well as
a host of the authors of the books of the Tanakh and the church up to
the fourth century. For more on this, see my blog entitled 'The Book of
Enoch as Scripture'.) This calendar consists of twelve thirty day
months, with four days added (1Eno 74:9-10, 75:1-2 & 82:5) and is
also hinted at in Gen 7:11/24/8:3-4, 1Ch 27:1-5, 1Ki 4:7 & Rev
11:2-3/12:6/13:5--which also agree that Biblical years consists of
twelve thirty day months.
Also known, yet often suppressed, is that this group, while having their
headquarters in the deserts of Quorum, also lived in the cities of
Judea along with the other religious groups of the Jews (4Q271
Frag.12). This group celebrated the Passover on the third day of the
week every year (4Q320 Col. 3, 4Q325 Frag. 2, 4Q329a), which would
correspond to our Tuesday evening.
Now what is interesting, is that in the year 30 CE (the probable year of
the crucifixion biased on Luke 3:1-22, Jn 2:13, 6:4, 7:37, and 19:14),
Passover fell on what we would call Wednesday evening according to the
more popular Jewish calendar. Hence,
the information given in Jn 18:28--that the Pharisees were getting ready to
prepare (which included slaughtering the lamb) and eat the Passover meal on the
day of Y'shua's trial and execution.
Therefore, based on the information given in the Gospel accounts as well as
information we are given from the Dead Sea Scrolls and history, Y'shua
ate the Passover
meal on what we would call Tuesday evening (the 14th of Aviv according to the
"Enochian" calendar) and was crucified on what we would call
Wednesday (the 14th of Aviv according to the "Hebrew" calendar).
There is no contradiction in the Gospel accounts!
So the question now is:
Why, if Y'shua used the Enochian calendar to determine the feast days, do so many--who want to do as He did--use a different one?
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Permalink Reply by 命 on -
I don't think you have proven Yeshua kept the Enochian calendar at all.
Yeshua never said a word against the Rabbinical calendar, it would have been strange if he had disagreed with it and said nothing. Yet not a word of rebuke is recorded.
I would also argue they did not eat the last supper on Pesach, but the night before - this way, Yeshua would have fulfilled the symbolic meaning of Pesach by dying that very day, rather than merely celebrating Pesach by eating, and then dying the next day... -
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Permalink Reply by jacob on -
Mar 14:12 And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?
Mar 14:13 And he sendeth forth two of his disciples, and saith unto them, Go ye into the city, and there shall meet you a man bearing a pitcher of water: follow him.
Mar 14:14 And wheresoever he shall go in, say ye to the goodman of the house, The Master saith, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples?
Mar 14:15 And he will shew you a large upper room furnished and prepared: there make ready for us.
Mar 14:16 And his disciples went forth, and came into the city, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover.
How can you say that this took place on the 13th, when the above Scripture clearly states "the first of Unleavened bread"?
Please reread my post and actually look up the references I provide.
Luk 22:7 Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed.
Luk 22:8 And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat.
Luk 22:9 And they said unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare?
Luk 22:10 And he said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house where he entereth in.
Luk 22:11 And ye shall say unto the goodman of the house, The Master saith unto thee, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples?
Luk 22:12 And he shall shew you a large upper room furnished: there make ready.
Luk 22:13 And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover.
Luk 22:14 And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him.
Luk 22:15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:
Mar 14:17 And in the evening he cometh with the twelve. -
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Permalink Reply by 命 on
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First of all, you have not proven anything. Secondly, you have extreme pre-assumptions, and ignore the logistics of Yeshua meeting keepers of the Rabbinical calendar literally every day of his life, yet not a word is recorded of conflict on the issue of calendar. He most likely kept the popular Rabbinical calendar of his time...
Please read:
http://www.herealittletherealittle.net/index.cfm?page_name=Last-Sup...
None of the four Gospels mentions a lamb being eaten at the "last supper."
Why did not Yeshua say: "eat this lamb, for I am the lamb of Passover" ?
The time had not yet come to slay the Passover when the Messiah and his disciples ate their last meal together.
In addition, Deuteronomy 16:2, 5-6 shows that the disciples would have also had a problem with where to slay a Passover lamb, had they desired to kill one:
DEUTERONOMY 16:2 Thou shalt therefore sacrifice the Passover unto the LORD thy God, of the flock and the herd, in the place which the LORD shall choose to place His name there. . . . 5 Thou mayest not sacrifice the Passover within any of thy gates, which the LORD thy God giveth thee: 6 But at the place which the LORD thy God shall choose to place His name in, there thou shalt sacrifice the Passover at even, at the going down of the sun, at the season [Aviv, see Deu. 16:1] that thou camest forth out of Egypt. (KJV)
God, through Moses, gives instructions regarding the proper place to sacrifice the Passover in this Scripture. As shown above, God did not allow that the Israelites to sacrifice the Passover anywhere they wanted, but only at the place where He chose to put His name. During Yeshua's life, the Temple in Jerusalem was the place where God had placed His name, and that's where the Jews killed the Passover lambs in accordance with this command.
Raymond F. McNair of the Global Church of God writes in his article "When Should the True Passover Be Observed?" that Christ's disciples "certainly could not have gone into the Temple at the beginning of the 14th of Abib to have the priests and Levites assist them in the sacrifice of their Passover lambs. Why not? Simply because the Jews (who then controlled the Temple ritual) would not have permitted anyone to kill their Passover lambs approximately 21 hours before they allowed, and supervised, the killing of Passover lambs in the court of the Temple!" (p. 11, Global Church News, March-April 1996).
Yeshua and his disciples obviously could not have eaten a Passover lamb with their meal that night. The Scriptures clearly state that Messiah was our Passover (I Cor. 5:7). Matthew, Mark, and Luke all record that Yeshua died at the ninth hour (3:00 p.m.). This is the same time Josephus records that the slaughter of the Passover lambs commenced. Christ fulfilled the symbolism of the Passover lambs exactly by giving his life just as the unblemished Passover lambs began to be slain on the 14th of Nisan!
CONCLUSION
We can see that the Synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark and Luke) do not conflict with John's account of the "last supper" when understood correctly. A careful study of all four Gospels shows that Yeshua and the disciples did not eat the Passover meal. There was no way they could have, since the time had not yet come to sacrifice the Passover lambs. They simply prepared for the Passover by deleavening the location they planned to use for the Feast. Afterward they ate some type of celebratory or preparatory meal on the evening of Nisan 14. At this supper, Yeshua instituted the New Covenant symbols of the bread and wine. After the meal, Judas Iscariot rose and left to betray Yeshua to the Jewish authorities. When approached with an open mind and the belief that the Scriptures cannot be broken (John 10:35), we can reconcile all these accounts. -
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Permalink Reply by jacob on
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Apparently, you should not even be here (in this discussion) as you apparently don't bother to read anything before you speak. I have demonstrated (From Mathew, Mark, and Luke) that Y'hshua ate the meal the evening of the "first day of unleavened bread" (i.e. the 14th, passover day). I have also demonstrated (from the Dead Sea Scrolls) that the Essenes cellebrated their own Passover, which included slaughtering the lamb at a different time then the Pharisees. If, you refuse to acknowledge the Scriptures and sitings of the DSS I provide, then I cannot continue wasting my time with you.
Christian said:First of all, you have not proven anything. Secondly, you have extreme pre-assumptions, and ignore the logistics of Yeshua meeting keepers of the Rabbinical calendar literally every day of his life, yet not a word is recorded of conflict on the issue of calendar. He most likely kept the popular Rabbinical calendar of his time...
Please read:
http://www.herealittletherealittle.net/index.cfm?page_name=Last-Sup...
None of the four Gospels mentions a lamb being eaten at the "last supper."
Why did not Yeshua say: "eat this lamb, for I am the lamb of Passover" ?
The time had not yet come to slay the Passover when the Messiah and his disciples ate their last meal together.
In addition, Deuteronomy 16:2, 5-6 shows that the disciples would have also had a problem with where to slay a Passover lamb, had they desired to kill one:
DEUTERONOMY 16:2 Thou shalt therefore sacrifice the Passover unto the LORD thy God, of the flock and the herd, in the place which the LORD shall choose to place His name there. . . . 5 Thou mayest not sacrifice the Passover within any of thy gates, which the LORD thy God giveth thee: 6 But at the place which the LORD thy God shall choose to place His name in, there thou shalt sacrifice the Passover at even, at the going down of the sun, at the season [Aviv, see Deu. 16:1] that thou camest forth out of Egypt. (KJV)
God, through Moses, gives instructions regarding the proper place to sacrifice the Passover in this Scripture. As shown above, God did not allow that the Israelites to sacrifice the Passover anywhere they wanted, but only at the place where He chose to put His name. During Yeshua's life, the Temple in Jerusalem was the place where God had placed His name, and that's where the Jews killed the Passover lambs in accordance with this command.
Raymond F. McNair of the Global Church of God writes in his article "When Should the True Passover Be Observed?" that Christ's disciples "certainly could not have gone into the Temple at the beginning of the 14th of Abib to have the priests and Levites assist them in the sacrifice of their Passover lambs. Why not? Simply because the Jews (who then controlled the Temple ritual) would not have permitted anyone to kill their Passover lambs approximately 21 hours before they allowed, and supervised, the killing of Passover lambs in the court of the Temple!" (p. 11, Global Church News, March-April 1996).
Yeshua and his disciples obviously could not have eaten a Passover lamb with their meal that night. The Scriptures clearly state that Messiah was our Passover (I Cor. 5:7). Matthew, Mark, and Luke all record that Yeshua died at the ninth hour (3:00 p.m.). This is the same time Josephus records that the slaughter of the Passover lambs commenced. Christ fulfilled the symbolism of the Passover lambs exactly by giving his life just as the unblemished Passover lambs began to be slain on the 14th of Nisan!
CONCLUSION
We can see that the Synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark and Luke) do not conflict with John's account of the "last supper" when understood correctly. A careful study of all four Gospels shows that Yeshua and the disciples did not eat the Passover meal. There was no way they could have, since the time had not yet come to sacrifice the Passover lambs. They simply prepared for the Passover by deleavening the location they planned to use for the Feast. Afterward they ate some type of celebratory or preparatory meal on the evening of Nisan 14. At this supper, Yeshua instituted the New Covenant symbols of the bread and wine. After the meal, Judas Iscariot rose and left to betray Yeshua to the Jewish authorities. When approached with an open mind and the belief that the Scriptures cannot be broken (John 10:35), we can reconcile all these accounts. -
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Permalink Reply by 命 on
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No, you have not demonstrated anything really, and you show you are unable to present your theory to a critical audience that does not accept unproven conjecture.
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Permalink Reply by Clifford M Dubery on -
I think the fundamentalist monotheists were ignoring the Enoch calender as you mentioned because of the disputes over the Josiah Reforms and the hidden nature of the followers that kept to the older traditions that included the Book of Enoch. It is quite possible, although I would have to do some more reading on the subject, Yeshuah and his family were from that older tradition.
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