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Permalink Reply by Solomon Avar on October 9, 2010 at 10:29am
Permalink Reply by Solomon Avar on October 14, 2010 at 7:29am Christian or anyone else,
When do you see Obadiah 1:20 being fulfilled? The Deliverers or Saviors coming up out of the Negev to Yerushalayim going to fight Jordan.
I see the Netzarim along with many Righteous Goys protecting and defending Israel and the Jewish People. I see this as part of the Two Sticks Coming together. In the weekly Parshas, many of them have this Propecies encoded as a mirror to Moshiach David ben Yishai.
Permalink Reply by Solomon Avar on November 30, 2010 at 8:48pm
Permalink Reply by Solomon Avar on November 30, 2010 at 9:41pm Shalom Yacov,
If I may offer my opinion...
Obadiah verses 1-14 describe various middle eastern nations stance toward Israel, in the soon-coming attack upon Israel, which I believe will come about in 2012, shortly after the fall of the USA.
In many ways, the stance of Edom/Esau toward Israel, in it's hour of affliction, is mimicked by many gentile nations in their stance toward Ephraim (the US) when it becomes afflicted, as well.
Verse 15 says:
"The day of the Lord is near for all nations.
As you have done, it will be done to you;
your deeds will return upon your own head."
The following verses describe the vengeance of the Lamb upon these nations for their wickedness toward the chosen people.
Verse 20 etc may be fulfilled when the Kingdom is established, in 2025.
Israel does regain land from the nations around them after the 1st Resurrection, but Obadiah's prophecy probably deals with the Kingdom, which follows shortly after.
3rd October 2016 -- 1st Tishrei 5777 -- Rosh Hashana -- the First Resurrection.
2nd October 2025 -- 10th Tishrei 5786 -- Yom Kippur -- the battle of Har Megiddo, the establishment of the Millennial Kingdom.
Yacov Azriel Shlomo said:Christian or anyone else,
When do you see Obadiah 1:20 being fulfilled? The Deliverers or Saviors coming up out of the Negev to Yerushalayim going to fight Jordan.
I see the Netzarim along with many Righteous Goys protecting and defending Israel and the Jewish People. I see this as part of the Two Sticks Coming together. In the weekly Parshas, many of them have this Propecies encoded as a mirror to Moshiach David ben Yishai.
That is posible, but you still have not answered the question "Who are the deliverers or saviors?" There is no such a thing in Judaism today. Those various nations surrounding Israel will be fought long before Yeshua Comes. What you state is not the literal interpretation of this book. Let us first stick with the literal or simple interpretation of this book before going into a Remez or Kabbalah. Mainstream Judaism cannot answer the question above about the saviors plural. Israel will be a much bigger state (land wise) and more wealithier that when Moshiach Comes.
Christian said:Shalom Yacov,
If I may offer my opinion...
Obadiah verses 1-14 describe various middle eastern nations stance toward Israel, in the soon-coming attack upon Israel, which I believe will come about in 2012, shortly after the fall of the USA.
In many ways, the stance of Edom/Esau toward Israel, in it's hour of affliction, is mimicked by many gentile nations in their stance toward Ephraim (the US) when it becomes afflicted, as well.
Verse 15 says:
"The day of the Lord is near for all nations.
As you have done, it will be done to you;
your deeds will return upon your own head."
The following verses describe the vengeance of the Lamb upon these nations for their wickedness toward the chosen people.
Verse 20 etc may be fulfilled when the Kingdom is established, in 2025.
Israel does regain land from the nations around them after the 1st Resurrection, but Obadiah's prophecy probably deals with the Kingdom, which follows shortly after.
3rd October 2016 -- 1st Tishrei 5777 -- Rosh Hashana -- the First Resurrection.
2nd October 2025 -- 10th Tishrei 5786 -- Yom Kippur -- the battle of Har Megiddo, the establishment of the Millennial Kingdom.
Yacov Azriel Shlomo said:Christian or anyone else,
When do you see Obadiah 1:20 being fulfilled? The Deliverers or Saviors coming up out of the Negev to Yerushalayim going to fight Jordan.
I see the Netzarim along with many Righteous Goys protecting and defending Israel and the Jewish People. I see this as part of the Two Sticks Coming together. In the weekly Parshas, many of them have this Propecies encoded as a mirror to Moshiach David ben Yishai.
That is posible, but you still have not answered the question "Who are the deliverers or saviors?" There is no such a thing in Judaism today. Those various nations surrounding Israel will be fought long before Yeshua Comes. What you state is not the literal interpretation of this book. Let us first stick with the literal or simple interpretation of this book before going into a Remez or Kabbalah. Mainstream Judaism cannot answer the question above about the saviors plural. Israel will be a much bigger state (land wise) and more wealithier that when Moshiach Comes.
Christian said:Shalom Yacov,
If I may offer my opinion...
Obadiah verses 1-14 describe various middle eastern nations stance toward Israel, in the soon-coming attack upon Israel, which I believe will come about in 2012, shortly after the fall of the USA.
In many ways, the stance of Edom/Esau toward Israel, in it's hour of affliction, is mimicked by many gentile nations in their stance toward Ephraim (the US) when it becomes afflicted, as well.
Verse 15 says:
"The day of the Lord is near for all nations.
As you have done, it will be done to you;
your deeds will return upon your own head."
The following verses describe the vengeance of the Lamb upon these nations for their wickedness toward the chosen people.
Verse 20 etc may be fulfilled when the Kingdom is established, in 2025.
Israel does regain land from the nations around them after the 1st Resurrection, but Obadiah's prophecy probably deals with the Kingdom, which follows shortly after.
3rd October 2016 -- 1st Tishrei 5777 -- Rosh Hashana -- the First Resurrection.
2nd October 2025 -- 10th Tishrei 5786 -- Yom Kippur -- the battle of Har Megiddo, the establishment of the Millennial Kingdom.
Yacov Azriel Shlomo said:Christian or anyone else,
When do you see Obadiah 1:20 being fulfilled? The Deliverers or Saviors coming up out of the Negev to Yerushalayim going to fight Jordan.
I see the Netzarim along with many Righteous Goys protecting and defending Israel and the Jewish People. I see this as part of the Two Sticks Coming together. In the weekly Parshas, many of them have this Propecies encoded as a mirror to Moshiach David ben Yishai.
I have often wondered about this passage, could it parallel Revelation 14 and the 144,000 with the Lamb?
Yacov Azriel Shlomo said:That is posible, but you still have not answered the question "Who are the deliverers or saviors?" There is no such a thing in Judaism today. Those various nations surrounding Israel will be fought long before Yeshua Comes. What you state is not the literal interpretation of this book. Let us first stick with the literal or simple interpretation of this book before going into a Remez or Kabbalah. Mainstream Judaism cannot answer the question above about the saviors plural. Israel will be a much bigger state (land wise) and more wealithier that when Moshiach Comes.
Christian said:Shalom Yacov,
If I may offer my opinion...
Obadiah verses 1-14 describe various middle eastern nations stance toward Israel, in the soon-coming attack upon Israel, which I believe will come about in 2012, shortly after the fall of the USA.
In many ways, the stance of Edom/Esau toward Israel, in it's hour of affliction, is mimicked by many gentile nations in their stance toward Ephraim (the US) when it becomes afflicted, as well.
Verse 15 says:
"The day of the Lord is near for all nations.
As you have done, it will be done to you;
your deeds will return upon your own head."
The following verses describe the vengeance of the Lamb upon these nations for their wickedness toward the chosen people.
Verse 20 etc may be fulfilled when the Kingdom is established, in 2025.
Israel does regain land from the nations around them after the 1st Resurrection, but Obadiah's prophecy probably deals with the Kingdom, which follows shortly after.
3rd October 2016 -- 1st Tishrei 5777 -- Rosh Hashana -- the First Resurrection.
2nd October 2025 -- 10th Tishrei 5786 -- Yom Kippur -- the battle of Har Megiddo, the establishment of the Millennial Kingdom.
Yacov Azriel Shlomo said:Christian or anyone else,
When do you see Obadiah 1:20 being fulfilled? The Deliverers or Saviors coming up out of the Negev to Yerushalayim going to fight Jordan.
I see the Netzarim along with many Righteous Goys protecting and defending Israel and the Jewish People. I see this as part of the Two Sticks Coming together. In the weekly Parshas, many of them have this Propecies encoded as a mirror to Moshiach David ben Yishai.
Permalink Reply by Solomon Avar on December 3, 2010 at 7:53pm Christian or anyone else,
When do you see Obadiah 1:20 being fulfilled? The Deliverers or Saviors coming up out of the Negev to Yerushalayim going to fight Jordan.
Ob.1:20
"And the removed of this force of the sons of Israel, That is with the Canaanites unto Zarephat, And the removed of Jerusalem that is with the Sepharad, Possess the cities of the south."
I believe it has to do with the repossession of land which Israel will undertake after the first resurrection, or possibly after the return of the Messiah.
The 144,000 are taken up into heaven after the first resurrection, so I don't think they are the ones described here...
Yacov Azriel Shlomo said:Christian or anyone else,
When do you see Obadiah 1:20 being fulfilled? The Deliverers or Saviors coming up out of the Negev to Yerushalayim going to fight Jordan.
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