First Earth
Jeremiah 4:22- It says that there was an earlier earth and YHWH wiped out all life on that earth because of thre evil of mankind. Job waw the only righteous man on this earth at this time and when died there was nothing but evil.
Genesis 1 says that in the beginning of time, YHWH created the cosmos and then the earth was placed in the cosmos in just the right place to support life.
Romans states that all souls were created before the foundation was laid for the cosmos.
Genesis 1:2 states that the earth was, meaning that there was already an earth in existance. YHWH did not create the cosmos in Genesis, HE just restored it to its original state eccept that HE changed up the atmosphere so that there would not be as much oxygen because it was no longer needed since there was no very large Dinosaurs left. Without an extremely volume of oxygen on the first earth, the very large dinosaurs would not be able to rise up and move around.
Why was Adam created out of dirt? The residue left in the soil of the first earth contained all of the necessary ingredients needed to create a human being. A higher oxygen content also produced bigger and smarter brains and thus much smarter humans. It has been discovered that there were huge airplanes and extremely large airports on that first earth also. It would take an extremely large amout of oxygen in order for those airplanes to fly because they were so big.
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Permalink Reply by James Trimm on
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Jer 4:22 says no such thing, it uses neityher the words "earlier" or "earth"
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Permalink Reply by J. Jury (אליהוא) on -
Ah- the good old Gap theory.
I do not accept that there was billions of years of death, suffering, decay, disease, and carnivorous eating PRIOR to YHWH creating Adam in a sinless world.
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Permalink Reply by Mikha El on -
I think there is possibly some validity to the "gap theory". I think we can all call the flood of Noah the 2nd flood, yes? Why would HWHY have created His earth with water on the surface?
1 In the beginning, Elohim created the heaven and the earth.
(Unknown time period inserted here?)
2 Now the earth was unformed and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
And the Spirit of Elohim hovered over the face of the waters. (HRV)Was this necessary? Perhaps it was once Helel fell and chaos ensued after the creation that was became "leaderless"? Also, how do we explain the disappearance of the dinosaurs? If they were around during the time of Noah, why were they not taken onto the ark? If there's no gap, what part of creation did Helel rule over? When exactly did he "fall from heaven"?
A subject debated for centuries...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Adamite
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Permalink Reply by 命 on -
So death existed before the entrance of sin into the world in Eden ?
"I think we can all call the flood of Noah the 2nd flood, yes?"
No ?
mikha El said:I think there is possibly some validity to the "gap theory". I think we can all call the flood of Noah the 2nd flood, yes? Why would HWHY have created His earth with water on the surface?
1 In the beginning, Elohim created the heaven and the earth.
(Unknown time period inserted here?)
2 Now the earth was unformed and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
And the Spirit of Elohim hovered over the face of the waters. (HRV)Was this necessary? Perhaps it was once Helel fell and chaos ensued after the creation that was became "leaderless"? Also, how do we explain the disappearance of the dinosaurs? If they were around during the time of Noah, why were they not taken onto the ark? If there's no gap, what part of creation did Helel rule over? When exactly did he "fall from heaven"?
A subject debated for centuries...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Adamite
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Permalink Reply by J. Jury (אליהוא) on
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1- Gen 1:5, "And the evening and the morning were the first day." No long time period of billions of years, just one day.
2- Dinosaurs were created on the sixth day, just as all "land animals" (Gen 1:25) were. They were taken on the ark, and died out after the flood. Whole species go extinct all the time, even to this day. There are multiple accounts of dinosaur-like creatures being seen in relatively recent times.
mikha El said:
I think there is possibly some validity to the "gap theory". I think we can all call the flood of Noah the 2nd flood, yes? Why would HWHY have created His earth with water on the surface?
1 In the beginning, Elohim created the heaven and the earth.
(Unknown time period inserted here?)
2 Now the earth was unformed and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
And the Spirit of Elohim hovered over the face of the waters. (HRV)Was this necessary? Perhaps it was once Helel fell and chaos ensued after the creation that was became "leaderless"? Also, how do we explain the disappearance of the dinosaurs? If they were around during the time of Noah, why were they not taken onto the ark? If there's no gap, what part of creation did Helel rule over? When exactly did he "fall from heaven"?
A subject debated for centuries...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Adamite
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Permalink Reply by Mikha El on
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J. Jury,
Could it be that time existed in a way unknown to us? Perhaps "Yom's" were not required in a "pre-Adamite" world. Perhaps at a "recreation" of sorts, time as we know it, was created.Granted a bit of imagination is required since scripture does not spell these ideas out to us. Can anyone state this was/is impossible?
If as you postulate, "Dinosaurs existed during the time of the spread of mankind but became extinct", ...I see 2 issues with this position. 1) There is no evidence of mankind mingling with dinosaurs that I am aware of. Footprints of both in a rock bed in Texas does not prove this theory in my mind. 2) From wiki...
Dinosaurs diverged from their archosaur ancestors approximately 230 million years ago during the Middle to Late Triassic period, roughly 20 million years after the Permian–Triassic extinction event wiped out an estimated 95% of all life on Earth.[28][29] Radiometric dating of the rock formation that contained fossils from the early dinosaur genus Eoraptor establishes its presence in the fossil record at this time.
I realize this idea promotes the "evolution" of animals theory which I do not fully subscribe to, however one valid point discussed is radiometric dating which puts the earth and it's inhabitants then much older then the "young earth" position espouses. I suppose one could argue the validity of radiometric dating. The evidence towards a much older earth to me is overwhelming. See also... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_Earth
J. Jury (אליהוא) said:1- Gen 1:5, "And the evening and the morning were the first day." No long time period of billions of years, just one day.
2- Dinosaurs were created on the sixth day, just as all "land animals" (Gen 1:25) were. They were taken on the ark, and died out after the flood. Whole species go extinct all the time, even to this day. There are multiple accounts of dinosaur-like creatures being seen in relatively recent times.
mikha El said:
I think there is possibly some validity to the "gap theory". I think we can all call the flood of Noah the 2nd flood, yes? Why would HWHY have created His earth with water on the surface?
1 In the beginning, Elohim created the heaven and the earth.
(Unknown time period inserted here?)
2 Now the earth was unformed and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
And the Spirit of Elohim hovered over the face of the waters. (HRV)Was this necessary? Perhaps it was once Helel fell and chaos ensued after the creation that was became "leaderless"? Also, how do we explain the disappearance of the dinosaurs? If they were around during the time of Noah, why were they not taken onto the ark? If there's no gap, what part of creation did Helel rule over? When exactly did he "fall from heaven"?
A subject debated for centuries...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Adamite
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Permalink Reply by Mikha El on
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“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
And the earth was [Heb. "hayah" = had become] without form, and void;
and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God
moved upon the face of the waters.” (Gen 1:1-2)
Solomon Avar said:So death existed before the entrance of sin into the world in Eden ?
"I think we can all call the flood of Noah the 2nd flood, yes?"
No ?
mikha El said:I think there is possibly some validity to the "gap theory". I think we can all call the flood of Noah the 2nd flood, yes? Why would HWHY have created His earth with water on the surface?
1 In the beginning, Elohim created the heaven and the earth.
(Unknown time period inserted here?)
2 Now the earth was unformed and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
And the Spirit of Elohim hovered over the face of the waters. (HRV)Was this necessary? Perhaps it was once Helel fell and chaos ensued after the creation that was became "leaderless"? Also, how do we explain the disappearance of the dinosaurs? If they were around during the time of Noah, why were they not taken onto the ark? If there's no gap, what part of creation did Helel rule over? When exactly did he "fall from heaven"?
A subject debated for centuries...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Adamite
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Permalink Reply by 命 on
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So God creating water = "flood" (tsunami / curse) ?
mikha El said:“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
And the earth was [Heb. "hayah" = had become] without form, and void;
and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God
moved upon the face of the waters.” (Gen 1:1-2)
Solomon Avar said:So death existed before the entrance of sin into the world in Eden ?
"I think we can all call the flood of Noah the 2nd flood, yes?"
No ?
mikha El said:I think there is possibly some validity to the "gap theory". I think we can all call the flood of Noah the 2nd flood, yes? Why would HWHY have created His earth with water on the surface?
1 In the beginning, Elohim created the heaven and the earth.
(Unknown time period inserted here?)
2 Now the earth was unformed and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
And the Spirit of Elohim hovered over the face of the waters. (HRV)Was this necessary? Perhaps it was once Helel fell and chaos ensued after the creation that was became "leaderless"? Also, how do we explain the disappearance of the dinosaurs? If they were around during the time of Noah, why were they not taken onto the ark? If there's no gap, what part of creation did Helel rule over? When exactly did he "fall from heaven"?
A subject debated for centuries...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Adamite
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Permalink Reply by 命 on
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I don't find your answer as failing in addressing the objection: Death didn't exist until the sin in Eden.
mikha El said:J. Jury,
Could it be that time existed in a way unknown to us? Perhaps "Yom's" were not required in a "pre-Adamite" world. Perhaps at a "recreation" of sorts, time as we know it, was created.Granted a bit of imagination is required since scripture does not spell these ideas out to us. Can anyone state this was/is impossible?
If as you postulate, "Dinosaurs existed during the time of the spread of mankind but became extinct", ...I see 2 issues with this position. 1) There is no evidence of mankind mingling with dinosaurs that I am aware of. Footprints of both in a rock bed in Texas does not prove this theory in my mind. 2) From wiki...
Dinosaurs diverged from their archosaur ancestors approximately 230 million years ago during the Middle to Late Triassic period, roughly 20 million years after the Permian–Triassic extinction event wiped out an estimated 95% of all life on Earth.[28][29] Radiometric dating of the rock formation that contained fossils from the early dinosaur genus Eoraptor establishes its presence in the fossil record at this time.
I realize this idea promotes the "evolution" of animals theory which I do not fully subscribe to, however one valid point discussed is radiometric dating which puts the earth and it's inhabitants then much older then the "young earth" position espouses. I suppose one could argue the validity of radiometric dating. The evidence towards a much older earth to me is overwhelming. See also... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_Earth
J. Jury (אליהוא) said:1- Gen 1:5, "And the evening and the morning were the first day." No long time period of billions of years, just one day.
2- Dinosaurs were created on the sixth day, just as all "land animals" (Gen 1:25) were. They were taken on the ark, and died out after the flood. Whole species go extinct all the time, even to this day. There are multiple accounts of dinosaur-like creatures being seen in relatively recent times.
mikha El said:
I think there is possibly some validity to the "gap theory". I think we can all call the flood of Noah the 2nd flood, yes? Why would HWHY have created His earth with water on the surface?
1 In the beginning, Elohim created the heaven and the earth.
(Unknown time period inserted here?)
2 Now the earth was unformed and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
And the Spirit of Elohim hovered over the face of the waters. (HRV)Was this necessary? Perhaps it was once Helel fell and chaos ensued after the creation that was became "leaderless"? Also, how do we explain the disappearance of the dinosaurs? If they were around during the time of Noah, why were they not taken onto the ark? If there's no gap, what part of creation did Helel rule over? When exactly did he "fall from heaven"?
A subject debated for centuries...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Adamite
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Permalink Reply by Mikha El on
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I suppose I could have put it differently. The fact remains eretz was covered with water, YES?. Was it a "curse", possibly? I don't subscribe to men prior to Adam but I do think it's possible that dinosaurs and "angels" existed here before Adam. How else does one refute all the scientific facts? I don't have to, ...We're both possibly correct" is what I say.
Solomon Avar said:So God creating water = "flood" (tsunami / curse) ?
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Permalink Reply by 命 on
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This is me being sarcastic, for the record.
Solomon Avar said:I don't find your answer as failing in addressing the objection: Death didn't exist until the sin in Eden.
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Permalink Reply by 3rxqash0xupnt on
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my mistake, I duplicated a point already made. sorry
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