Can a person still pursue this woman even though this situation has happened?....
A woman was disowned by her parents, and she was left to fend for herself. She goes to stay with a friend who gives her food and shelter. The friend needs money, and so the friend takes the woman to this guy, and, against the women's will so to speak, the friend tells the woman to have sex with the guy, and the woman does so. The money is received.
The woman is so hurt, and she does not want to spend the rest of her life alone, and without a spouse that will love and care for her. The woman decides to submit her ways to Yahushua, and live a torah lifestyle. Biblical wise, the questions are:
1) Is it biblically ok to pursue the woman?
2) Is it a sin to pursue the woman?
3) Must she stay single for life?
The woman is so hurt, and she does not want to spend the rest of her life alone, and without a spouse that will love and care for her. The woman decides to submit her ways to Yahushua, and live a torah lifestyle. Biblical wise, the questions are:
1) Is it biblically ok to pursue the woman?
2) Is it a sin to pursue the woman?
3) Must she stay single for life?
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Permalink Reply by James Trimm on
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Sure... why not? According to Torah, having sex does not make one "married". This is clear because one who has sex with a virgin must offer to marry her or pay a fine if he will not, and she can turn him down. The point is these precepts of Torah would be pointless if the act of sex itself made them married.
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To add context to "sure... why not?" I mean, why not pursue her? She is free to marry.
James Trimm said:Sure... why not? According to Torah, having sex does not make one "married". This is clear because one who has sex with a virgin must offer to marry her or pay a fine if he will not, and she can turn him down. The point is these precepts of Torah would be pointless if the act of sex itself made them married.
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Permalink Reply by James Pierce on -
James,
Whats up brother. I thought that sex sealed the deal. Even if she had sex with the guy so that her friend could get money... she is still free to marry?
James Trimm said:Sure... why not? According to Torah, having sex does not make one "married". This is clear because one who has sex with a virgin must offer to marry her or pay a fine if he will not, and she can turn him down. The point is these precepts of Torah would be pointless if the act of sex itself made them married.
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Not sure where people get that idea (hellenism perhaps) but it is NOT what our Torah teaches. See Ex. 22:16-17 if sex sealed the deal, then they would already be married by virtue of the sex act, and there would be no right of refusal of marriage in verse 17.
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Permalink Reply by James Pierce on
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Trimm,
So, being that her family disowned her, and there was no dad to say no.... she would still be free to marry.. even though her friend forced her to have sex with the guy for money?
What about Yahushua's words in Mark 10 & Matt 19 concering divorce and re-marriage? How does one reconcile His words with the words of Torah?
James Trimm said:Not sure where people get that idea (hellenism perhaps) but it is NOT what our Torah teaches. See Ex. 22:16-17 if sex sealed the deal, then they would already be married by virtue of the sex act, and there would be no right of refusal of marriage in verse 17.
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These passages have no application here because she was not married.
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Permalink Reply by James Pierce on
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Trimm,
Ok bro.. I will look into that. The situation is really with me. She sent me a message today saying that she's in love with me, and she has to let me go because she knows I value virginity. brother, I love her so much, that I do not care, and I will make the exception on her behalf, but one thing I will and cannot do is violate Torah. I thank you for your wisdom, and I will continue to pray on this.
James Trimm said:These passages have no application here because she was not married.
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Permalink Reply by Joe L. Henderson on -
Thoughts:
Rape or consensual sex?
If consensual, f0ollowed by repentance and divine forgiveness?
If forgiven
Why sin, which is not gender-specific.
Why single for life?
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Permalink Reply by James Pierce on
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Joe,
Here is the story in full:
1) She was forced against her will by government officials in her home country that I will not name.
2) She told them NO, but they did not listen to her, and so she had no choice
3) She was not married/belonged to any man
4) She was virgin when the official forced her to have sex to give money to her friend. Her friend wanted the money, and not the woman I know.
I was examining the scriptures earlier, and I see no reason on why not pursue her since she was forced against her will, and therefore free to marry.
Any input?
Joe L. Henderson said:Thoughts:
Rape or consensual sex?
If consensual, f0ollowed by repentance and divine forgiveness?
If forgiven
Why sin, which is not gender-specific.
Why single for life?
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Permalink Reply by beryl etanah on -
1) Is it biblically ok to pursue the woman?
who will pursue, the parents or the man? why would parents get far as "disown" her if she was a well behaved child? do you want to justify a morally wretched daughter?
2) Is it a sin to pursue the woman?
if cops pursue her it might not be a sin to pursue her
3) Must she stay single for life?
if she can hold on to it without sinning why not? but if she stays single wallowing in fornication she'd better get one for her own
or do we still need ask this question if we studied torah by heart?
just wondering.
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Permalink Reply by 命 on
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To put the story in a more universal light, the question itself can be construed as:
"Does sleeping together equal a permanent marriage, and thus cause all following relationships to become sin(s)"
and the short answer is no, that is an unwieldy permanent stigmatization that is totally unlike the flexibility and compassion of the Torah.
Having rejected the Catholic-style permanent stigmatization interpretation, I will try to put into words a different interpretation shortly.
James Pierce said:Joe,
Here is the story in full:
1) She was forced against her will by government officials in her home country that I will not name.
2) She told them NO, but they did not listen to her, and so she had no choice
3) She was not married/belonged to any man
4) She was virgin when the official forced her to have sex to give money to her friend. Her friend wanted the money, and not the woman I know.
I was examining the scriptures earlier, and I see no reason on why not pursue her since she was forced against her will, and therefore free to marry.
Any input?
Joe L. Henderson said:Thoughts:
Rape or consensual sex?
If consensual, f0ollowed by repentance and divine forgiveness?
If forgiven
Why sin, which is not gender-specific.
Why single for life?
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