{"id":213,"date":"2020-01-05T00:15:16","date_gmt":"2020-01-05T00:15:16","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/nazarenespace.com\/blog\/?p=213"},"modified":"2024-06-24T11:42:07","modified_gmt":"2024-06-24T16:42:07","slug":"what-are-the-traditions-of-men","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/nazarenespace.com\/blog\/2020\/01\/05\/what-are-the-traditions-of-men\/","title":{"rendered":"What are the \u201cTraditions of Men\u201d?"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"529\" height=\"529\" src=\"http:\/\/nazarenespace.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/traditions-of-men.gif\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-214\"\/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center\"><strong>What are the \u201cTraditions of Men\u201d?<\/strong><br>\n<strong>By<\/strong><br>\n<strong>James Scott Trimm<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Many who attack Jewish tradition and the Oral Law cite Yeshua\u2019s words\n in Matthew 15:1-9 (and paralleled in Mark 7:1-13) concerning the \n\u201ctraditions of men.\u201d&nbsp; These commentators argue that the \u201ctraditions of \nmen\u201d which Yeshua speaks of in this passage are either the traditions of\n the Talmud, Oral Law, or Jewish traditions in general.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>But lets examine these verses to see if they can accurately be applied to the Jewish traditions of the Talmud.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>1 Then came near to Him scribes and P\u2019rushim from Yerushalayim, saying,<\/em><br>\n<em>2 Why do your talmidim transgress the decrees of the elders? For they clean not their<\/em> <em>hands when they eat bread.<\/em><br>\n<em>3 But He answered them and said: And why do you transgress the commandments of<\/em> <em>Elohim\u2013by means of your decrees?<\/em><br>\n<em>4 Is it not written in your Torah from the mouth of Elohim, Honor your father and<\/em> <em>your\n mother?(Ex. 20:12; Deut. 5:16) And moreover written, And he that curses\n his father and his mother will surely die? (Ex. 21:17; Lev. 20:9)<\/em><br>\n<em>5 But you say, Whoever says to father and mother, It is all an offering\u2013[KORBAN] whatever of mine might profit you,<\/em><br>\n<em>6 And he honors not his father and his mother. Thus have you made void the<\/em> <em>commandments of Elohim, on account of your judgments.<\/em><br>\n<em>7 You hypocrites! Yesha\u2019yahu did well indeed to prophesy concerning you, saying,<\/em><br>\n<em>8 This people honors Me with their mouth and with their lips, but have removed<\/em> <em>their heart far from Me.<\/em><br>\n<em>9 And their fear of Me, is a commandment learned of men.(Isa. 29:13)<\/em><br>\n<em>(Matt. 15:1-9 HRV)<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Now there are some important things we can immediately clean from these verses:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1. Yeshua is addressing a specific group of Pharisees whom he has encountered here, and not Phariseeism in general.<br>\n2. Yeshua is not criticizing \u201ctradition\u201d in general, but only \n\u201ctraditions of men\u201d and specifically only \u201ctraditions of men\u201d which \nconflict with the written Torah.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Now Yeshua gives us a very specific example of one of these \n\u201ctraditions of men,\u201d a tradition that says that a man who makes a vow \nthat his father or mother might not benefit from anything of his, even \nthough this dishonors their mother or father.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Now interestingly exactly this question is dealt with in one of the \nmany debates recorded in the Talmud.&nbsp; We read in the Mishna Nedarim 9:1:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>R. Elieazar says: they open a vow for a man by reference to the honor of his father or mother.<\/em><br>\n<em>and the sages prohibit.<\/em><br>\n<em>said R. Tzadok: before they open a vow for him by reference to his \nfather or mother let them open his vow by reference to the honor of \nHaMakom. &nbsp;<\/em><br>\n<em>If so there will be no vow.<\/em><br>\n<em>But the sages concede to R. Elieazar, that in a matter that is \nbetween him and his mother or father they loose his vow by reference to \nhis father or mother.\u201d<\/em><br>\n<em>(m.Nedarim 9:1)<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Here the exact same question is here debated.&nbsp; (It is interesting to \nnote that both Matthew 15 and the Talmud (m.Nedarim 9:1 and b.Nedarim \n64a-64b) debate this same issue, but it is only the Talmud which gets \ncriticized.)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The question is which commandment is weightier: the commandment to \nkeep all of your vows (Num. 30:3(2)) or the commandment to honor your \nmother and father (Ex. 20:12; Deut. 5:16).&nbsp; What happens when there is a\n conflict between these two commandments and one must break one to keep \nthe other?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Now for a complete understanding of this section of Talmud (m.Nedarim 9:1 and the Gemara at b.Nedarim 64a-64b) see my video \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/youtu.be\/AAywDhvpJHQ\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Talmud For Beginners Lesson One<\/a>\u201d.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It is sufficient here to show that the sages of the Talmud agreed \nthat the type of vow that Yeshua discusses (one which involves \u201ca matter\n that is between him and his mother or father\u201d) is loosed (and therefore\n should not be kept) if it dishonors ones mother on one\u2019s father.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>So Yeshua and the Talmud agree with each other against the \n\u201ctraditions of men\u201d.&nbsp; For anyone to try to identify the \u201ctraditions of \nmen\u201d of Matthew 15 (and Mark 7) with the traditions of the Talmud, the \nOral Law, or Jewish tradition in general, is either dishonest or very \nshoddy scholarship.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Yeshua\u2019s point here is that a tradition that conflicts with the \nwritten Torah should not be kept, a point with which any Orthodox Rabbi \nwould agree.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The \u201cTraditions of Men\u201d spoken of in Matthew 15 (and Mark 7) are not the Oral Law, the Talmud or Jewish traditions in general.\u00a0 The Sages of the Talmud stand with Yeshua in opposing \u201cTraditions of Men\u201d that conflict with the written Torah, even in the specific example Yeshua gives in these verses.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\"><em><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);color:#f80505\" class=\"has-inline-color\">The rent is due in just one week and we do not have it. 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